# WAY more than you wanted to know about Rudy Giuliani **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 15, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095 "2023-05-15T21:07:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/21 "2023-05-16T00:30:10Z")
Rudy Giuliani is a skuzzy drunk with no moral core, and has been for years. When all of the inner workings of the Trump administration are finally laid bare, in how ever many decades from now, people should be prepared for _lots_ of debauchery. And interference by and with foreign governments. Don’t forget that. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/22 "2023-05-16T02:20:32Z")
So Lawrence O’Donnell is deconstructing this lawsuit with one of the Plaintiff’s lawyers. I haven’t read the .pdf and didn’t realize that there are allegations that Giuliani was selling pardons for 2 million dollars per, with the money being split equally between Giuliani and Trump. According to Ms. Dunphy’s attorney, Justin Kelton, while there are no recordings of these transactions, there is corroborating evidence via various witnesses. Just… fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/23 "2023-05-16T02:21:39Z")
> [@slicedalone](#): > > a pretty clear idea that they’re gonna end up screwed Which is pretty much what happened ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/24 "2023-05-16T06:37:13Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > iii. Giuliani used the word “fag” to refer to actor Matt Damon. ![](https://media.tenor.com/lEJpvV_Fha4AAAAC/matt-damon-team-america.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/25 "2023-05-16T10:11:42Z")
Just the other day some students I work with watched a video about the Fresh Kills landfill and how it was closed down thanks to Rudy. Now it seems that he and the landfill had even more in common than I expected from his previous corruption and stupidity. I forget how to do free links (maybe that should be put up somewhere permanently for dopes like me). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/26 "2023-05-16T10:23:35Z")
“Only the best people” Drunks, rapists and some, I presume, utter scumbags. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/27 "2023-05-16T10:59:30Z")
I gotta say, I’m struggling a little with this too. As far as power imbalances go, a 40 year old woman taking a million dollar consulting job seems a bit weak. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/28 "2023-05-16T11:11:45Z")
Promised: a million dollar consulting job and legal representation on her case against her abusive former partner. Received: Very little money (but the ongoing promise of receiving it), pressure to drop the case, and a vast amount of sexual abuse. So both financial and psychological pressure not to immediately run. Also: remember that she was already a victim of an abusive relationship, which Giuliani (allegedly) used to bully her further. There was a metric shit-ton of existing trauma there before Rudy (allegedly) added to it. ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/29 "2023-05-16T11:46:15Z")
I know it’s Rudy, but reading his quotes I keep seeing Dennis Hopper’s character in _Blue Velvet_. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/30 "2023-05-16T11:49:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Promised: a million dollar consulting job and legal representation on her case against her abusive former partner. > > Received: Very little money (but the ongoing promise of receiving it), pressure to drop the case, and a vast amount of sexual abuse. This is a classic Trump tactic that he has employed over many decades. He hires someone (a lawyer, say), promises to pay them a large amount after they have taken whatever legal action he wants, then stiffs them and has someone fire them with the excuse that they didn’t get the result he wanted. How he’s gotten away with this all this time is a mystery to me. Rudy Ghouliani learned at the foot of the master. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/31 "2023-05-16T11:52:48Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Holy fucking shit. I scrolled down to say exactly that. What a freakshow! ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/32 "2023-05-16T11:58:15Z")
> [@BlueOhio](#): > > I know it’s Rudy, but reading his quotes I keep seeing Dennis Hopper’s character in _Blue Velvet_. Frank was evil cool. Rudy is evil doofus. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/33 "2023-05-16T11:58:20Z")
Watching Lawrence O’Donnell last night, this really floored me. Every allegation was bad enough, but then wait, there’s more! Again and again and again. Selling pardons for $2 million each I hope will be at some point held against his partner in crime, Diaper Don. Why can’t these things come out on a Saturday about 8 pm so we can pop some corn and make a night of it? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/34 "2023-05-16T12:05:25Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > It’s still only a claim until we see the video files, and their bona fides are established. I got $50 that says we see/hear these tapes before we hear from the Biden Informant. Hell, I got $50 that says humans will walk on Mars before we hear from the Biden Informant. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/35 "2023-05-16T12:11:05Z")
Plot twist: _She’s_ the Biden informant! ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/36 "2023-05-16T12:22:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Also: remember that she was already a victim of an abusive relationship, which Giuliani (allegedly) used to bully her further. There was a metric shit-ton of existing trauma there before Rudy (allegedly) added to it. If we’re being technical, then she was (allegedly) a victim of an abusive relationship. I couldn’t find information about it other than what’s been posted here. Which makes sense, as she wasn’t a public figure prior to connecting with Guiliani. The rest of what I’m going to say is going to make me sound shitty but… whatever, it’s the pit, and this is the uphill battle she’s going to face if this goes to jury. But my guess is it’s not going to go to jury, and that’s not the intent. According to Dunphy’s LinkedIn, aside from a couple of internships, she’s made a living as a model, writer, and PR consultant. She appears to be connected to a bunch of different charities, and her personal blog has photos of her at a bunch of charity fundraisers. I’m guessing that’s how she met potential clients, including Giuliani. She does not have a resume that justifies a million dollar salary in business development. So either she’s incredibly naive, or… Is it a problem that a rich asshole can dangle a couple million bucks in front of a struggling model to coerce them into sex? Yeah. But the whole employer/employee angle her doesn’t really resonate with me. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/37 "2023-05-16T12:26:40Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > she’s made a living as a model I would not have guessed that was the case. She’s not unattractive, but not a one of the photos I found on Google have the sort of ability to pose or make facial expressions that I’d imagine a successful model would have. Instead, she looks like someone who’s trying _really hard_ to look like she does, instead of just having a natural look/pose. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/38 "2023-05-16T12:55:36Z")
I have a long-time friend who is an HR/Labor attorney. One of her best pieces of advice in terms of sexual harassment is to be the kind of person about whom – if asked – every single person you know would say: > Him? Never. Not him. It’s simply not in his character. How many people do you figure are lining up to be that kind of character reference for Rudy? Or the Cheeto-Faced Shit-Gibbon? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/39 "2023-05-16T14:08:00Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I didn’t read the PDF, but the things he asked her to do (disrobe on camera, ‘fuck him like crazy’ etc), did she do them or did he just ask? > I’m not, in any way, suggesting it was okay for him to say those things, I’m just curious as to how she responded to those requests. Further to the above: > [@](#): > > 1. On February 25, 2019, Giuliani forced Ms. Dunphy to have sexual intercourse with him for the first time. Before this, Ms. Dunphy had refused and avoided having sex with Giuliani, although he had forced her to engage in other sexual contact. But on February 25, Giuliani told Ms. Dunphy that he would not wait any longer to have sex with her. > > 2. Ms. Dunphy objected and told Giuliani repeatedly that she did not want to have sex. But Giuliani would not take “no” for an answer. He eventually forced her into having sexual intercourse with him. She never consented to intercourse, but she eventually stopped resisting because it was clear that he would not stop pressuring her. > > 3. Beginning in March 2019, Giuliani became more abusive toward Ms. Dunphy. He continually pressured her into sex, was unconcerned with obtaining Ms. Dunphy’s consent, disregarded Ms. Dunphy’s boundaries as a survivor of domestic violence and behaved in a hyperaggressive manner during sexual interactions. Giuliani disregarded Ms. Dunphy’s request that his conduct stop and her pleas that physical violence, domineering behavior, and abusive language was triggering and re-traumatizing for her. > > 4. For example, during sex, he called her a “cunt,” a “bitch,” and “Rudy’s slut,” and discussed his interest in “BDSM” (which refers to bondage, dominance, sadism, and masochism) with her.10 Ms. Dunphy repeatedly told Giuliani that she was not interested in participating in such conduct. Indeed, Giuliani was well aware of Ms. Dunphy’s aversion to physical violence or emotionally abusive language of any kind, real or simulated, because of his work as her attorney in connection with her domestic violence case. Nevertheless, he continually talked about BDSM and violent sex, and demanded that she engage in such conduct. So that’s her story. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/40 "2023-05-16T14:11:15Z")
So what’s the real lowdown on Rudy’s relationship with Angela Merkel? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095.md?page=3)