# Way to go, pubbies: $10-12 million in state funds missing. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662 "2005-06-03T02:11:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/1 "2005-06-03T02:11:34Z")
As first reported in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6222520&postcount=13) post, prominent GOP fundraiser and rare-coin dealer Tom Noe is under Federal criminal and civil charges for a $10-12 million misappopriation of Ohio state funds. Where did the funds allegedly go? You guessed it: campaign contributions to notables such as George W. Bush and Ohio governor Bob Taft. The scandal is known as [Coingate](http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050529/NEWS24/505290441). So, how many more times will the Republicans be able to shoot themselves in the foot until they can no longer stand? Would John Kerry have won if Bush/Cheney '04 had never received those funds? Probably not, but it’s interesting to think that all this concerns the most crucial swing state of the 2004 election. Why is the media not all over this? I seriously expected to find a _New York Times_ article on this, but nothing. Either way, I predict a Democratic sweep in 2006. People are sick of this shit. (Apologies to **UncleBeer** for reusing his cite, but it was the best on the Net.) Adam ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/2 "2005-06-03T02:22:06Z")
> [@Agent Foxtrot](#): > > Either way, I predict a Democratic sweep in 2006. People are sick of this shit. The people that are sick of it now were sick of it in the last election. The people that weren’t sick of it in the last election aren’t sick of it now. And the Democrats aren’t going to do shit until they get their act together and have a platform that’s more than just “We’re not Republicans.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/3 "2005-06-03T02:46:33Z")
Forget the Democrats. This now SHOULD be a police matter. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/4 "2005-06-03T03:03:33Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > The people that are sick of it now were sick of it in the last election. The people that weren’t sick of it in the last election aren’t sick of it now. > > And the Democrats aren’t going to do shit until they get their act together and have a platform that’s more than just “We’re not Republicans.” Amen. The Dems can get my vote if they come up with a good candidate, and good doesn’t include HRC or JFK. I’m still keeping my fingers crossed for McCain. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/5 "2005-06-03T03:08:17Z")
McCain would be an excellent choice. I might cross party lines for him. Might? I probably would. ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/6 "2005-06-03T03:23:46Z")
Well said. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/7 "2005-06-03T03:32:07Z")
> [@](#): > > “The people in the state of Ohio are going to want to elect people in 2006 who they can trust will not use their positions to help their contributors,” said state Sen. Marc Dann, a Democrat from suburban Youngstown. Yeah. _That_’ll happen. BTW, this IS a police matter. According to the article, state and federal authorities are pursuing criminal charges. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/8 "2005-06-03T04:15:42Z")
If Noe is guilty, he oughta go to jail. It really isn’t much more difficult than that. If there is evidence of the involvement of Gov. Taft, President Bush, or the Republican Party, they should be held accountable too. Without such evidence, such allegations would be nothing but innuendo and smear, I think we can all agree. I’m a fair minded sort, so I won’t even mention the irony of a Youngstown Democrat lecturing anybody about political corruption. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/9 "2005-06-03T05:55:05Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > And the Democrats aren’t going to do shit until they get their act together and have a platform that’s more than just “We’re not Republicans.” when you’re in an airplane that’s doing a high-speed dive towards the Earth 20,000 feet below, the **first** priority should be on getting the runaway chimp _away_ from the steering yoke and replacing him with somebody _competent._ Debating the flight qualifications of the person behind the stick can come after the airplane’s stabilized. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/10 "2005-06-03T10:26:28Z")
That makes no damn sense at all. You’re saying that the Democrats needn’t worry about their qualifications for office until they actually get elected, and that all efforts should be focused on that latter goal. I certainly hope most Democrats don’t have that attitude, **rjung**. It’s a recipe for failure. ---
**Author:** ![Andros\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Andros\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andros_X)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/11 "2005-06-03T13:11:28Z")
Exactly how many more scandals involving the Republicans do we have to endure before they actually face the consequences of their actions? They fix the 2000 election, lie to go to war, give a big fat bonus to a contractor whose former CEO is now VP, have members of Congress who have committed serious breaches of ethical conduct, ordered the illegal detention of hundreds of people at Guantanamo, have tortured prisoners at Abu Ghraib… …and now this. Meanwhile, Clinton got an impeachment trial for getting a BJ in the White House. How can people not get outraged over these events, when the slightest mistake by the Democrats calls for a lynching of the involved party’s character? I am so _incredibly_ sick of IOKIYAR. I just want the next few years to pass quickly so we can have someone else as President. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/12 "2005-06-03T13:21:32Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > That makes no damn sense at all. > > You’re saying that the Democrats needn’t worry about their qualifications for office until they actually get elected, and that all efforts should be focused on that latter goal. > > I certainly hope most Democrats don’t have that attitude, **rjung**. It’s a recipe for failure. No, I think what he’s saying is \*anyone \* would have better qualifications than the “runaway chimp”. Note: I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing, just reanslating. And it made me chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/13 "2005-06-03T13:23:25Z")
> [@Andros\_X](#): > > Meanwhile, Clinton got an impeachment trial for getting a BJ in the White House. Uh huh, and Noe was indicted for collecting coins. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/14 "2005-06-03T13:32:06Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Uh huh, and Noe was indicted for collecting coins. Actually, Noe has NOT been indicted. The Grand Jury is currently taking testimony. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/15 "2005-06-03T13:38:09Z")
> [@Andros\_X](#): > > Exactly how many more scandals involving the Republicans do we have to endure before they actually face the consequences of their actions? They fix the 2000 election, lie to go to war, give a big fat bonus to a contractor whose former CEO is now VP, have members of Congress who have committed serious breaches of ethical conduct, ordered the illegal detention of hundreds of people at Guantanamo, have tortured prisoners at Abu Ghraib… > > …and now this. > > Meanwhile, Clinton got an impeachment trial for getting a BJ in the White House. > > How can people not get outraged over these events, when the slightest mistake by the Democrats calls for a lynching of the involved party’s character? > > I am so _incredibly_ sick of IOKIYAR. I just want the next few years to pass quickly so we can have someone else as President. You’re mistaken, or a liar. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/16 "2005-06-03T13:46:20Z")
Which part do you claim to be a lie? ---
**Author:** ![19ForMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/439d5e/32.png) [@19ForMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/19ForMe)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/17 "2005-06-03T14:21:53Z")
Why is the state of Ohio buying rare coins? If they have excess cash, a bank account would be more liquid, prudent and accountable. If it is for some sort of pension investment, buying collectibles seems like it should be a violation. Is some hack indulging in his own hobby on the public dime? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/18 "2005-06-03T14:25:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Which part do you claim to be a lie? I’m sure it’s the impeachment for a BJ bit. For **Bricker** , it’s all about the perjury. Admittedly, he has a point; I’m just not sure it’s a very important point. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/19 "2005-06-03T14:35:56Z")
He quoted an entire post (something that someone who’s been on the board so long should know better than). Let him say which part of it he considers false - unless for him that’s a synonym for “uncomfortable to face”. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/20 "2005-06-03T14:40:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He quoted an entire post (something that someone who’s been on the board so long should know better than). Let him say which part of it he considers false - unless for him that’s a synonym for “uncomfortable to face”. OK - you have a point. _backs slowly away from the thread_ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662.md?page=2)