# Way to go, pubbies: $10-12 million in state funds missing. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662 "2005-06-03T02:11:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/41 "2005-06-03T20:37:25Z")
> [@The Asbestos Mango](#): > > Nope- Clinton was impeached for _lying_ about a blow job, which nobody but Hillary had any business asking him about anyway. Paula Jones was “entitled to information regarding any individuals with whom the President had sexual relations or proposed or sought to have sexual relations and who were during the relevant time frame [of May 8, 1986, up to the present] state or federal employees.” [http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/clinton/wrightsorder13.html](http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/clinton/wrightsorder13.html) ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/42 "2005-06-03T20:40:03Z")
Well maybe Tom Noe is blowing Clinton, too. But who gives a fuck? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/43 "2005-06-03T20:46:34Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Well maybe Tom Noe is blowing Clinton, too. But who gives a fuck? If it came out that Noe was blowing Clinton, this would pretty much be the greatest, most entertaining scandal in the history of the world. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/44 "2005-06-03T21:46:40Z")
How many Pit threads are going to derail into the common theme of was Bill Clinton impeached for getting a toot on his root? For the ninety-third time, the approved articles of impeachment against WJC were for perjury and obstruction of justice, not for getting lipstick on his dipstick. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/45 "2005-06-04T01:49:04Z")
Yeah, but Bush lied about WMDs! Daniel _d&r_ ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/46 "2005-06-04T01:53:10Z")
If I may suggest some peace to this: When a person brings up, “Clinton got impeached over a blowjob!” in a context like this, it’s pretty safe to read their comment as nonliteral. They’re saying, “What Clinton nearly lost the presidency over pales in comparison to what we’re currently looking at!” Whether that’s true is a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. It’s a legitimate point of comparison, given that Clinton’s impeachment is the only one in living memory, and represents the second-greatest political threat to the sitting president in the last four decades. While it may be somewhat misleading for people to phrase the comparison in that imprecise fashion, you know and I know and everyone knows that what they’re saying is that they do not consider Clinton’s impeachment to have had any serious harm at its center. It’s not at all helpful to remind people that their statement is not legally precise, since they weren’t vying for legal precision in the first place. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/47 "2005-06-04T02:24:24Z")
What most people forget about Clinton is the reason he was brought up on perjury charges relating to his sexual exploits is because he so well eluded prosecution for the immense and highly illegal real estate scandal he was involved in. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/48 "2005-06-04T03:18:00Z")
> [@Sweetums](#): > > …and reduce funding for such things as libraries (I work in one)… Pardon me for prying, but do you happen to work for a certain Third Largest Public Library In The Country that just laid off about fifty people? 'cuz I used to. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/49 "2005-06-04T03:23:52Z")
> [@black455](#): > > Pardon me for prying, but do you happen to work for a certain Third Largest Public Library In The Country that just laid off about fifty people? > > 'cuz I used to. Sorry you lost the gig. I never knew that library was that big, but I didn’t have much to compare it against. I always appreciated you (the staff there) for what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/50 "2005-06-04T03:25:52Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > What most people forget about Clinton is the reason he was brought up on perjury charges relating to his sexual exploits is because he so well eluded prosecution for the immense and highly illegal real estate scandal he was involved in. So, your point is that if _you_ believe something is true, but cannot provide credible evidence to that end, then it’s okay to conjure up something else, even if it’s not germane to the original issue. That’s a dangerous standard to set. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/51 "2005-06-04T03:34:53Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > What most people forget about Clinton is the reason he was brought up on perjury charges relating to his sexual exploits is because he so well eluded prosecution for the immense and highly illegal real estate scandal he was involved in. Wasn’t that “scandal” derailed due to lack of evidence? Can’t charge or convict with insufficient evidence. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/52 "2005-06-04T03:45:40Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Sorry you lost the gig. I never knew that library was that big, but I didn’t have much to compare it against. I always appreciated you (the staff there) for what it’s worth. Don’t feel too bad for me… I quit two years ago, when it became apparent that the looming financial disaster wasn’t going to do anything good for my career. I’ve ended up at a small company in Blue Ash that pays me twice as much to fuck around with Linux all day and puts my tuition on the Amex every quarter. I can’t really complain. My wife resigned in January for health reasons, but she was pretty much dead-ended, too. C’est la vie. We’re still living downtown, though. Half the people in our building work at Main, and the garbage cans have been overflowing with beer, wine, and liquor bottles the past few months. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/53 "2005-06-04T03:48:42Z")
> [@black455](#): > > Don’t feel too bad for me… I quit two years ago, when it became apparent that the looming financial disaster wasn’t going to do anything good for my career. I’ve ended up at a small company in Blue Ash that pays me twice as much to fuck around with Linux all day and puts my tuition on the Amex every quarter. I can’t really complain. Well, I’ll feel bad for your ex-cow-orkers then. I hope the library’s not going downhill too much from the cutbacks. I kind of miss Blue Ash. Hope you can take advantage of the Rec Center there. We really miss the schools. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/54 "2005-06-04T03:52:32Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Actually, Clinton was not impeached for a blow job. Not that you should correct every error you see or anything… Well, to be PERFECTLY accurate, your statement is true in the same sense that Al Capone was not jailed for being a Mafia boss and a brutal murderer. He was just an income tax evader, right? And that’s the only reason the Fed went after him, right? Y’know, when you say things like “Clinton was not impeached for a blowjob” it’s EXACTLY like saying “Al Capone wasn’t prosecuted for being a mob boss.” Nobody in the world believes you, except the people who really, really, really, really WANT to believe you. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/55 "2005-06-04T04:20:26Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > I kind of miss Blue Ash. Hope you can take advantage of the Rec Center there. We really miss the schools. Ha. I walk by the Rec Center and the police station on the days I take the 'tro. The cops give me funny looks - I think it’s because they’re not used to seeing pedestrians that aren’t jogging. Maybe I need a haircut. I _do_ appreciate the good vibes. We’ve still got a lot of friends at the Bury. It’s really amazing how many people did things like voluntarily taking early retirement to mitigate some of the sting for their co-workers who are in a more precarious position. Not lot it did a whole fat lot of good. The library board is _still_ equivocating about a tax levy. As in, most of them are so opposed to the notion of raising property taxes that they’d rather shut down branches and lay people off than put it to the voters. …fucking Cincinnati… …grumble grumble… ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/56 "2005-06-04T05:05:04Z")
Just out of curiosity, when did this turn into a thread about Bill Clinton’s blowjob and the validity of his impeachment? May we go back to the topic at hand? Adam ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/57 "2005-06-04T06:07:14Z")
> [@Agent Foxtrot](#): > > Just out of curiosity, when did this turn into a thread about Bill Clinton’s blowjob and the validity of his impeachment? May we go back to the topic at hand? > > Adam That’s kinda what I was trying to say, but nobody listened. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/58 "2005-06-04T06:17:14Z")
> [@Agent Foxtrot](#): > > Just out of curiosity, when did this turn into a thread about Bill Clinton’s blowjob and the validity of his impeachment? It began [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6224116&postcount=11), when Andros\_X waxed mournfully about how the teacher lets the Republicans get away with everything, and “Meanwhile, Clinton got an impeachment trial for getting a BJ in the White House.” ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/59 "2005-06-04T06:29:09Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Y’know, when you say things like “Clinton was not impeached for a blowjob” it’s EXACTLY like saying “Al Capone wasn’t prosecuted for being a mob boss.” No, that’s not right either. If you’re looking at it that way, Clinton was impeached for being a very good president (at least insofar as one of a long string of tyrannical executives may be called good). The Republicans were desperatley frustrated at his enormous success and influence, and feared his considerable political savvy. They seized an opportunity to strike at him when Janet Waco appointed a special prosecutor to investigate Whitewater, and a judicial panel eventually replaced him with Ken Starr. That was back when Democrats were screaming about judicial activism, and Republicans were hailing courts as the last defenders of freedom. It’s hard sometimes to tell Tweedle Dee from Tweedle Dum. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/60 "2005-06-04T22:09:39Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > I personally know Tom Noe. He and I are in the same business. He just makes a little more than I do. 😃 > > Tom’s always been a high flyer, but my personal opinion is that he didn’t do any skimming on the coin money. He didn’t need to. I think when all is said and done, he may have more problems on the political contributions thing. Of course, you don’t do much time for that. 🙂 Apparently, I am related to him. Not by blood, but by marriage, but not too distant either. Before everyone starts probing me, I have only ever seen him in person once and I didn’t even personally meet him. Didn’t know who he was then, don’t know him now. I will reserve comment as to my disposition or opinions on this matter and only say that I am a liberal Democrat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662.md?page=4)