# Way to go, pubbies: $10-12 million in state funds missing. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662 "2005-06-03T02:11:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/61 "2005-06-05T08:58:11Z")
Fuck it… I am being glib and less than generous. My statement shocked me in its diplomacy and political ambiguity. It was too cold…this is what the current state of this country and its leadership has reduced me to. I feel as if I’m at war. Quite appropriate for the terms I have endured. I am sure you palpably feel the defensive stance that we must assume. They are defining the differences that seperate. Bush is rivaled only by Andrew Jackson. Tom Noe sang a Look, this is what seperates me from a Republican and defines my personal politics as a Democrat. I believe in humanity and forgiveness and will respect a person for who they are … not what they’ve done. Tom, ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/62 "2005-06-05T10:12:43Z")
Fuck it… I am being glib and less than generous. My statement shocked me in its diplomacy and political ambiguity. It was too cold…this is what the current state of this country and its leadership has reduced me to. I feel as if I’m at war. Quite appropriate for the terms I have endured. I am sure you palpably feel the defensive stance that we must assume. They are defining the differences that seperate. Bush is rivaled only by Jefferson Davis in the damage that has been wrought. Tom Noe sung my Uncle’s favorite hymnal and personal request **How Great Thou Art** at his funeral. He passed after a long and painful battle with cancer. I was truly moved by his genuine care and respect. It was very emotional and he has my respect, regardless. Look, this is what seperates me from a Republican and defines my personal politics as a Democrat. I believe in humanity and forgiveness and will respect a person for who they are … not what they’ve done. Tom, through experience we endure.Backs turn and friends prove themselves, find what is important. Best wishes. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/63 "2005-06-05T14:32:34Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > Fuck it… > > I am being glib and less than generous. My statement shocked me in its diplomacy and political ambiguity. It was too cold…this is what the current state of this country and its leadership has reduced me to. I feel as if I’m at war. Quite appropriate for the terms I have endured. I am sure you palpably feel the defensive stance that we must assume. > > They are defining the differences that seperate. Bush is rivaled only by Andrew Jackson. > [@devilsknew](#): > > They are defining the differences that seperate. Bush is rivaled only by Jefferson Davis in the damage that has been wrought. Since you’re compiling a list, why not throw in Stalin? 😃 [sub]Looks at time of the two posts, remembers posting drunk and incohherent himself, and slinks away…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/64 "2005-06-05T21:03:28Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > Fuck it… > > I am being glib and less than generous. My statement shocked me in its diplomacy and political ambiguity. It was too cold…this is what the current state of this country and its leadership has reduced me to. I feel as if I’m at war. Quite appropriate for the terms I have endured. I am sure you palpably feel the defensive stance that we must assume. > > They are defining the differences that seperate. Bush is rivaled only by Jefferson Davis in the damage that has been wrought. > > Tom Noe sung my Uncle’s favorite hymnal and personal request **How Great Thou Art** at his funeral. He passed after a long and painful battle with cancer. I was truly moved by his genuine care and respect. It was very emotional and he has my respect, regardless. > Look, this is what seperates me from a Republican and defines my personal politics as a Democrat. I believe in humanity and forgiveness and will respect a person for who they are … not what they’ve done. > Tom, through experience we endure.Backs turn and friends prove themselves, find what is important. Best wishes. You’re supporting Tom Noe because he did a good job of singing at your uncle’s funeral? With all due respect to you and your late uncle, this does not make Noe a good man. The same mentality exists with people who support Bush because they feel “like they can have a beer with him.” On the other side of the coin (heh), I’m starting to feel more and more like Tom Noe is being set up as the fall guy for this whole debacle. If I have the situtation correct, it appears the Repuglicans were trying to filter monies from the state coffers into their own war chests, using Noe as a money launderer, in effect. “We’ll by your rare coins as an “investment” of state funds, but just remember who did it for you, okay?” The thing that puts Noe on the hook is that he actually agreed to do it. Please, someone tell me if I’m incorrect in my interpretation. Adam ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/65 "2005-06-05T22:19:15Z")
I’m not supporting Tom Noe in his actions and the greed, graft, and good 'ol boys of the Republican machine. I am just not going to attack him personally, that’s a Rebublican tactic. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/66 "2005-06-05T22:53:14Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > How many Pit threads are going to derail into the common theme of was Bill Clinton impeached for getting a toot on his root? For the ninety-third time, the approved articles of impeachment against WJC were for perjury and obstruction of justice, not for getting lipstick on his dipstick. And then he was acquitted by the Senate with those same charges, but somehow that little detail is always not mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/67 "2005-06-05T23:28:21Z")
> [@Agent Foxtrot](#): > > On the other side of the coin (heh), I’m starting to feel more and more like Tom Noe is being set up as the fall guy for this whole debacle. If I have the situtation correct, it appears the Repuglicans were trying to filter monies from the state coffers into their own war chests, using Noe as a money launderer, in effect. “We’ll by your rare coins as an “investment” of state funds, but just remember who did it for you, okay?” The thing that puts Noe on the hook is that he actually agreed to do it. > > Please, someone tell me if I’m incorrect in my interpretation. > > Adam You’re incorrect. The Republican politicians in this debacle were NOT instrumental in this. While it is no doubt “payback” for favors granted, there is little to suggest this was some grand plan by the Republicans to steal money from the State coffers. MY own take is that Noe had a one-on-one realationship with an official in the Workmen’s Comp. and convinced him to make the investment. If anyone should be sent to prison, it’s the guy who signed off on this deal. May happen yet. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/68 "2006-02-14T20:54:22Z")
To revive this dinosaur, in case anyone is still following the game, Tom Noe was indicted yesterday by a Lucas County grand jury on [fifty-three felony counts](http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060214/NEWS02/60214002). He’s currently free on a half-million dollar bond (which is in addition to a $350,000 bond for his previous indictment on several federal felony money-laundering counts relating to his contributions to the Bush-Cheney campaign in '04). The Toledo Blade story linked gives an excellent overview of the whole affair for anyone coming to the story late. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/69 "2006-02-15T04:09:45Z")
Wow, I’d totally forgotten about this thread. Thanks, **UncleBeer**! Adam ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/70 "2006-09-15T03:58:48Z")
To re-revive this dinosaur: [Noes Gets 27 months for funneling donations to Bush](http://www.recordpub.com/news/article/195984) > [@](#): > > federal judge sentenced a GOP fund-raiser at the center of an Ohio political scandal to two years and three months in prison Tuesday for funneling $45,000 to President Bushs re-election campaign. > > Tom Noe, a former Toledo-area rare coin dealer whose large donations made him a powerful political figure, apologized for scheming to give friends money to donate to Bush to fulfill Noes promise to generate $50,000 at a fund-raiser. [Nye is going down too:](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/washington/15ney.html?ei=5094&en=b82693329e8322f8&hp=&ex=1158292800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print) > [@](#): > > Representative Bob Ney, Republican of Ohio, has agreed to plead guilty to federal criminal charges related to his dealings with the corrupt lobbyist Jack Abramoff, lawyers and others with knowledge of the investigation said Thursday. > > A guilty plea would make Mr. Ney, a six-term congressman, the first member of Congress to admit to criminal charges in the Abramoff investigation, which has focused on the actions of several current and former Republican lawmakers who had been close to the former lobbyist. This leaves Ohio with a serious deficit of politicians having names that begin with the letter N. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/71 "2006-09-15T04:50:44Z")
So you reopen a zombie to crow about some criminal pubbie tards getting their just desserts. Not that we can’t read the news or anything, thanks for pointing this out, we might have missed it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/72 "2006-09-15T04:54:50Z")
Well, it was already resurrected once, so that made the second time easier. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/73 "2006-09-15T05:14:32Z")
Yeah, but the more you resurrect zombies, the harder they are to kill! :eek: Something about that alien radiation thing, or the evil plague thing, or something… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662/74 "2006-09-15T05:48:52Z")
[QUOTE=Klaatu] So you reopen a zombie to crow about some criminal pubbie tards getting their just desserts. Not that we can’t read the news or anything, thanks for pointing this out, we might have missed it. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] I didn’t know about it and was glad to see that Noe got what was coming to him … it so rarely happens with Pubbies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-to-go-pubbies-10-12-million-in-state-funds-missing/306662.md?page=3)