# Way too long Bush Bashing SotU blow by blow
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [February 3, 2005, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136 "2005-02-03T06:30:53Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/21 "2005-02-03T13:01:18Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#):
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> Given that half of it comprised Bush’s address, that’s quite an admission on your part, friend **Brutus**.
Neener neener neener! You’re too slow!
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/22 "2005-02-03T13:06:57Z")
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> It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take…
I just love this one, as it shows the Bushites marching in lock step with the New York Times (which used virtually the identical language recently in an editorial) and the “immigration reform” advocates in the Democratic Party.
Damn unions, trying to assure decent pay and working conditions for employees! We’ll bring in immigrants who won’t turn up their noses at our sweatshop conditions.
And bizarre as it is, when you’ve got **even sven** making effective cracks about your “spending discipline”, George, it’s time for you to turn over your borrow-and-spend disaster to some knowledgeable financial experts.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/23 "2005-02-03T14:48:17Z")
You’re making this too easy.
> [@even sven](#):
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> Why do we need crap like education, healthcare and stuff? There are still dumb people and dead people, so it must not be working.
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> In just three years, every Native American will go to **Havard** and every Black person will be a CEO.
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> And why worry about Dead Bob Old Guy next door, when your kid can **by** a **porche** on his sixteenth birthday!
You are certainly correct. There are still dumb people in the US.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/24 "2005-02-03T14:51:22Z")
Wow, you nailed him! Nice job. How dumb, dropping two letters after typing thousands. If you look closely, you may be able to find a few more. Why don’t you do so, and write up a report. You could even include grammatic revisions and suggested improvements.
Of course, nobody would think you were a complete dingleberry for making such nitpicky observations.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/25 "2005-02-03T15:00:23Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#):
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> Wow, you nailed him! Nice job. How dumb, dropping two letters after typing thousands. If you look closely, you may be able to find a few more. Why don’t you do so, and write up a report. You could even include grammatic revisions and suggested improvements.
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> Of course, nobody would think you were a complete dingleberry for making such nitpicky observations.
It’s her, not him, and she dropped three letters, not two. And you are missing a question mark after your fifth sentence.
It must be Bush’s fault.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/26 "2005-02-03T15:26:27Z")
I always find it most effective to pick a couple key points, or those points most important to me, and hit them with a bit more than a sarcastic one liner. But that’s just me. Maybe I just don’t have the stamina for a line by line dissection.
Myself, I had to turn off the S of the U address. Not because of Bush’s hypocrisy or my distaste for partisan politics, but because I thought the 60 some odd standing ovations, whooping, and hollering were a national embarrassment. I’ve seen pep rally’s held with more decorum.
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/27 "2005-02-03T15:37:40Z")
Is that the best you can do **Shodan**? Forgetting addressing the meat of the OP, or any of the valid questions raised, just zing her over a few typos.
What are you 11?
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/28 "2005-02-03T15:47:43Z")
Nah, just wasn’t interested in a line-by-line. If she’d posted it in GD, maybe.
Not that it’s much different from every other "No faaaaaair! I want free health caaaaaare!’ that she has posted a few dozen times before.
Regards,
Shodan
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> What are you 11?
You’re missing a comma. Neener neener neener.
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/29 "2005-02-03T15:54:10Z")
Fuck it, **Shodan** is just doing things consistent with people that live under bridges
Some pathetic cry for help I suppose.
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### Author:  [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/30 "2005-02-03T16:00:06Z")
I spy with my little eye…a missing period! Oh, and someone trying to be subtle with an accusation of trolling.
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### Author:  [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/31 "2005-02-03T16:15:41Z")
> [@Brutus](#):
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> I spy with my little eye…a missing period! Oh, and someone trying to be subtle with an accusation of trolling.
There are spaces before and after an ellipsis.
(Gaudere’s Avenger flies off into the night.)
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### Author:  [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/32 "2005-02-03T16:22:11Z")
Granted, hardly anyone watches, cares, or remembers the opposition party response to the SOTU. But it did lead me to a question. Is Nancy Pelosi really that awful at delivering a speech? Considering geographical distance, etc I have very little knowledge of her abilities, strengths, and weaknesses as a politicion. But last night, she looked pretty much like she was reading cue cards but had a fear that if she misspoke those cue cards would come to life and bite her arms off.
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/33 "2005-02-03T16:25:55Z")
> [@Brutus](#):
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> I spy with my little eye…a missing period! Oh, and someone trying to be subtle with an accusation of trolling.
Must be the same eye that allows you to see facts and reason.
Let’s nip our worthless hijack in the bud ok?
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### Author:  [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/34 "2005-02-03T16:35:49Z")
> [@Roland Deschain](#):
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> At least Bush has dared to put big ideas on the table…
…and dump a steaming load of bullshit on top of them.
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/35 "2005-02-03T16:58:28Z")
> [@Waverly](#):
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> I’ve seen pep rally’s held with more decorum.
Um…never mind. 😃
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/36 "2005-02-03T17:09:17Z")
> [@even sven](#):
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> I hate to clutter the serious debate thread with my overlong reactionary Bush-bashing rants, so here it is…my blow-by-blow of the State of the Union address:
And because you are an idiot of alarming proportions, here is my blow-by-blow response:
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> and this time we were actually elected!
Just like last time. I know you were a liberal arts major, but didn’t they make you take civics in high school, and didn’t that class mention the Electoral College?
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> Unlike the old…uhhh…unsoverign Iraq? I think George needs to look up the definition of “sovereign”.
They weren’t free before. See, Mr. Bush said “free and sovereign.” The word ‘and’ is a conjunction, indicating that the two items must be considered together. You are focusing myopically on ‘sovereign,’ as though the President is unaware that Iraq was sovereign before this all started. They were – but they were not free.
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> I thought his job was to run the country. Last I knew, America was the country I had to live in, not a “guiding ideal of liberty for all.”
Please review Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution, undoubtedly taught during a day when you were absent from class. The President’s job includes foreign relations.
When you’re done with that review, please review the ENTIRE FREAKIN HISTORY OF AMERICA. While it’s true that the isolationist viewpoint you offer had a great deal of support in earlier times, I’d suggest that from the latter half of the twentieth century onwards, it’s been understood that this country has a role to play in providing guiding ideals to other countries. See “Truman Doctrine, The” for more details.
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> Is he admitting that the economy crashed and burned on his last watch and some of us are just now getting jobs? Well, it’s about time. Sadly, it’s not really that much of a point in his favor.
Given your utter cluelessness as demonstrated herein, I wouldn’t hire you to keep water wet. But the economy started going south before he took over, and recovered under his watch.
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> If I remember correctly, college students that could be claimed as dependents didn’t share in on his great tax relief plan. But I guess thats okay because we invaded a couple new countries to make markets in.
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My mom tried to teach me spending dicipline when I spent my whole allowence on some Barbie dolls.
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Why do we need crap like education, healthcare and stuff? There are still dumb people and dead people, so it must not be working. We could be using that money on essential priorities, like dropping a few billion on Iraq.
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In just three years, every Native American will go to Havard and every Black person will be a CEO. All it took was No Child Left Behind to destroy racism forever. Neat-o.
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Wow. Three strawmen in a row. Will Dorothy and the Tin Man be joining us for tea?
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> Wait a minute! I know for a fact they just gutted the Pell Grant! Colleges have been fucked over a log in the last year, and now he’s talking about how he’s going to give them back a tiny bit of what he quite literally just took away.
“Fucked over a log.” Ah, yes, because colleges have an intrinsic right to federal services.
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> Damn workers, wanting their rights…
I’m pretty certain he’s not referring to class actions for workers’ rights, but for product liability suits.
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> Or, you know, we could just give everyone access tp health care like every other vaguely civilized nation on earth. Does anyone seriously believe our current situation has any redeeming factors and is just a few tweaks away from working great for everyone? Does he count “I’d like to have some health care” as one of those health decisions people ought to have some control over? Right now our problem is people are working crappy jobs that don’t offer healthcare and can’t afford the insane premiums anyway. A couple extra bucks in the tax refund check to “invest in health savings accounts” aint gonna cut it- not when people are still struggling with their “food savings account” and “rent savings account”. There is no model for a universal private healthcare system, so stop pretending it’s at all possible and admit your cool with dead or suffering poor people.
Get your sticking hand out of my procket, you freakin reject. “Give everyone access?” I have access right now, and my family does too. Why? Because I pay for it. Now you want me to pay for your health care too, because you’re too stupid to manage to pay for it on your own.
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> Drug dealers and terrorists? I can understand terrorists, but wern’t drug dealers the bogeyman of the ninties? Waaaay outdated…
Drug dealers no longer exist. Check.
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> You know, in the rest of the industrialized world thats not really a big concern for parents because the government recognizes the value of education. I’m just saying…
You’re just saying that you want me to pay for your education as well as your health care? Fuck it, why don’t you just pass a law that I’m forced to adopt you. In your system, I’ve got to pay for your expenses like you were my kid anyway.
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> And we all know the stock market is permanently sound! Never gone wrong! Why if everyone had invested their retirments in tech stocks a few years ago, we’d be a land of millionaire old folks! Uh…
Question: stock market doing better, or worse, than the current rate of return of investments for that money?
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> I thought we were talking about money here. I wonder if my landlord will accept a check for “Dignity and peace of mind.”
Unlikely, as long as you’re a tenant.
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> I thought the entire idea behind social security was we had too many old folks croaking in the streets because they didn’t save for the retirement or they lost it all to stock market crashes. But I guess that’s okay because the STOCK MARKET WILL NEVER CRASH AGAIN. No need to worry here.
Question: stock market doing better, or worse, than the current rate of return of investments for that money?
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> Because inherted money makes the next generation better! And why worry about Dead Bob Old Guy next door, when your kid can by a porche on his sixteenth birthday!
It’s better that MY MONEY goes back to the government to fund your entitlements than to my kid, eh?
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> Awww, no witty comments this time. Fuck you Mr. Bush. Just fuck you.
You want judges making the law? Or do you just want the law to be what you want it to be, regardless of how your fellow citizens feel?
Remember America? The land of self-governance? Where we have a democracy?
I know, I know. Asleep that day in class too, were you?
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> _Nobody_ knows that is his secret codeword for abortion. Gotta throw a bone to the fundies, you know.
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> Well, I’m pretty sure he means that they won’t legislate being nice to gay folks, but they will legislate abortion, because thats, uh, different. I’m sure he can expect the same welcome the pubbies gave Clinton’s nominees.
My gosh, what a fucking moron you are. RIGHT NOW, there is judicially-created abortion law. Bush’s nominees would undo that, leaving the issue to the legislatures. They will not “legislate” abortion. They will leave the job of legislating to the legislature, whose function is… ? Is…?
I know. Had a doctor’s appointment that day in class, right?
The job of the legislature is to MAKE THE LAW. (Hint: the word ‘legislate’ is relevant here).
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> I give up.
Me, too. I don’t even have the energy to continue this.
When people talk about how clueless liberals are, I’m sure they’re thinking about you and people like you. There is plenty of valid response to Mr. Bush’s policies, and plenty of ground upon which reasonable people may disagree. You live nowhere near that ground.
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### Author:  [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/37 "2005-02-03T17:28:49Z")
While I must applaud **Bricker** ’s retort to **Even Sven** ’s OP, I take exception to one comment. In response to Dubya’s line
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> Because marriage is a sacred institution and the foundation of society, it should not be re-defined by activist judges. For the good of families, children, and society, I support a constitutional amendment to protect the institution of marriage.
and **Even Sven** ’s childish obscenities, **Bricker** wrote,
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> You want judges making the law? Or do you just want the law to be what you want it to be, regardless of how your fellow citizens feel?
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> Remember America? The land of self-governance? Where we have a democracy?
Anti-gay legislation is not self-governance, but the tyranny of the majority. You may as well eulogize the Jim Crow laws of the South as “self-governance.” The bigoted hetero majority is intent on passing laws to formalize _de facto_ legal discrimination against gay couples. In the state you and I share, **Bricker** , our state legislature is passing laws that take away rights from gay couples that you and your wife enjoy as a matter of course. The laws that are passed do not affect you or the people who pass them; they are intended as discriminatory measures aimed squarely against me and mine. This is not democracy.
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/38 "2005-02-03T17:36:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> Drug dealers no longer exist. Check.
Huh? 😕
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/39 "2005-02-03T17:56:27Z")
> [@gobear](#):
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> While I must applaud **Bricker** ’s retort to **Even Sven** ’s OP, I take exception to one comment. In response to Dubya’s line
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> and **Even Sven** ’s childish obscenities, **Bricker** wrote,
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> Anti-gay legislation is not self-governance, but the tyranny of the majority. You may as well eulogize the Jim Crow laws of the South as “self-governance.” The bigoted hetero majority is intent on passing laws to formalize _de facto_ legal discrimination against gay couples. In the state you and I share, **Bricker** , our state legislature is passing laws that take away rights from gay couples that you and your wife enjoy as a matter of course. The laws that are passed do not affect you or the people who pass them; they are intended as discriminatory measures aimed squarely against me and mine. This is not democracy.
As you know, I disagree with those laws. I absolutely support state recognition of same-sex marriage.
But I am also firmly convinced we wouldn’t be in the position of watching states fall all over themselves to pass state constitutional amendments prohibiting same-sex marriage were it not for the looming spectre of judicially-imposed recognition.
My support here is for the process, not the result.
And knowing what you know now – if you could wave a hand and get a US Supreme Court 5-4 decision mandating same-sex marriage recognition… at the risk of a similar backlash and the passage of a federal marriage amendment prohibiting same… would you?
While I agree that bigotry and/or ignorance is motivating the votes against same-sex unions and marriages, I cannot agree that the proper course is to work the judicial route; it will simply set the cause back further.
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### Author:  [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/40 "2005-02-03T18:02:07Z")
[quote=Bricker}Question: stock market doing better, or worse, than the current rate of return of investments for that money?[/quote]
I’m sure she doesn’t know Bricker. She’s been told that big bad Bush wants to “gut” Social Security, and she believes it unquestioningly with both of her quivering little socialist brain cells. However, just to try to dispell a tiny bit of ignorance, let’s tell her, shall we?
If you invested money in the stock market in 1929, before the crash, and left it there untill today, (in a nice diversified conservative portfolio, yadda, yadda, yadda), you would have realized a 6-7% return on your money. That same money generated just a tiny bit over 1% in return with the Social Security system. Make no mistake, the government is still going to take the money out of my pocket VIA the FICA tax no matter what, but allowing me to control how it’s invested for my future rather than having the U.S. government stick it under their national matress and filch from it when they need to pay welfare benefits to **even sven** so she doesn’t have to touch the 20K she has in the bank and seems like a pretty good idea to me.
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