# Way too long Bush Bashing SotU blow by blow
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [February 3, 2005, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136 "2005-02-03T06:30:53Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2005, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/101 "2005-02-04T23:47:29Z")
Gee, **Dave** , didn’t you read **Bricker’s** post? We want him to look like Antonio Banderas, have movie stars for girlfriends, and blow jobs in Asian sex parlors. That’s because all of us on the left are batshit crazy and out of contact with the cold, hard facts of life, unlike hard headed realists like you guys.
A nation is, at least to some degree, a collective, in that it is our country. Citizens bear a mutual responsibility, and this responsibility may even, at certain desperate moments, encroach on Property Rights, that most sacred and holy of civilized advances, next to the Miracle of Compounded Interest. (I will endeavor to be circumspect, I know I’m approaching the edges of heresy for the Tighty Righty…)
We are a nation, not some gigantic game of Monopoly. That’s what we mean when we say _our_ country. And we already know the rules aren’t fair, have never been fair. Some people get $2000 dollars every time they pass go, and if they get the Go to Jail card, they don’t have to unless they roll snake eyes.
Human misery is repulsive, morally corrosive, and a shame and blight to the nation that tolerates it. That the wealthiest and most powerful nation in human history would tolerate misery amongst its own goes beyond unjust, it is obscene, it is damnable.
And we will not sit down, we will not shut up, and we will not accept it.
So you might just as well cave in to our more moderate programs, and we’ll stop bugging you. For a while. And we’ll accede to your wishes on the plastic surgery and professional fellatio. For the foreseeable future.
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### Author:  [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2005, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/102 "2005-02-04T23:57:29Z")
mmmm, blow jobs in Asian sex parlors…
Enjoy,
Steven
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### Author:  [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2005, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/103 "2005-02-04T23:59:58Z")
> [@Weirddave](#):
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> You know, I’m sorry your friend has had some bad luck, but really, WTF do you want? Does he have a place to live? Is he able to eat? Medicare? Really, what else does he need? Sure that’s a brutal way to look at it, but what else do you think society owes him? A social safety net or a social American Express card? Do you think the governement should be buying him a plasma screen TV, a Lincoln Navigator and a oceanfron villia in the Hamptons just because he was a hard worker? That makes no sense.
Dave,
It is my grandfather and he has food and a place to eat becuase of that safety net. My point was that he is relying on that safety net through no fault of his own rather becuase of lifes little challenges. Friend Bricker seems to think that if you can’t pay for medical care or college it is becuase you didn’t save enough. The reality is that by and by people who are in need didn’t blow their money on asian sex parlors and vacitions.
The point is that if you want to use education as a justification why some people earn more money than others you need to ensure that education system has some semblance of fairness in it. Ours is currently miles away from that and I think you can figure out why from Bricker here.
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### Author:  [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/104 "2005-02-05T00:03:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> Human misery is repulsive, morally corrosive, and a shame and blight to the nation that tolerates it. That the wealthiest and most powerful nation in human history would tolerate misery amongst its own goes beyond unjust, it is obscene, it is damnable.
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> And we will not sit down, we will not shut up, and we will not accept it.
I’ve quoted the only relevant portion of your diatribe, and it still begs the question: Are you saying that the governement owes every citizen a retirement benefit that allows them to live in luxury, or will you admit that as long as basic human needs are met, than anything over that is up to the individual? If Ethel Bluehair is miserable because she doesn’t have a Cadillac, do we owe her one?
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/105 "2005-02-05T00:20:29Z")
What, I’m wearing a sign says “Just fell of the turnip truck!”?
Tell you what, buckaroo. We’ll negotiate. We lefty types got oodles of agendas, why don’t you make a list of the ten _least_ objectionable, and throw your unstiting support behind them. Then we can renegogiate
And we promise never to ask you to buy Ms. Bluehair a Cadillac. Probably be better to get her to her doctor by cab, anyway. Keep her off the street, employ a cabdriver. Two birds…
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### Author:  [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/106 "2005-02-05T00:43:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> When people talk about how clueless liberals are, I’m sure they’re thinking about you and people like you. There is plenty of valid response to Mr. Bush’s policies, and plenty of ground upon which reasonable people may disagree. You live nowhere near that ground.
Bricker, would it be okay if I said I love you? In a christian, sister-ly way, of course. 😛
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### Author:  [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/107 "2005-02-05T00:44:35Z")
> [@Weirddave](#):
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> I’ve quoted the only relevant portion of your diatribe, and it still begs the question: Are you saying that the governement owes every citizen a retirement benefit that allows them to live in luxury, or will you admit that as long as basic human needs are met, than anything over that is up to the individual? If Ethel Bluehair is miserable because she doesn’t have a Cadillac, do we owe her one?
Why the fuck do you keep on bringing up luxury items? We are talking about food, health care, shelter and here you are brining up Cadillacs and Plasma TVs.
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/108 "2005-02-05T02:46:03Z")
> [@elfkin477](#):
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> Bricker, would it be okay if I said I love you? In a christian, sister-ly way, of course. 😛
Of course! And Mrs. Bricker will be happier at the qualification, should she read this.
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### Author:  [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/109 "2005-02-05T03:42:02Z")
> [@treis](#):
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> Why the fuck do you keep on bringing up luxury items? We are talking about food, health care, shelter and here you are brining up Cadillacs and Plasma TVs.
Well, partially because ' **luce** is doing his online slapstick routine which is(as he intends) distracting, it’s kinda like talking to you while a guy in a clown suit lights himself on fire over your shoulder, but mainly because you said that your grandfather’s food, health care and shelter needs were met. I want to know what else you expect the government to do. My parents are on SS, and it meets their basic needs. Anything else comes from retirement plans they made, money they put away, while they were still working.
Remember also I came into this discussion with you after debating retirement with Mtgman while you got here VIA an education debate with Bricker, so we reached this point coming from different angles, it’s not surprising that we may talk past each other once or twice.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/110 "2005-02-05T04:37:32Z")
> [@treis](#):
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> Friend Bricker seems to think that if you can’t pay for medical care or college it is becuase you didn’t save enough. The reality is that by and by people who are in need didn’t blow their money on asian sex parlors and vacitions.
They didn’t? Some do, that’s for sure. Our very own OP has $20K in the bank, and can afford to traipse about India, but still wants the rest of us to pay for her healthcare, and her education.
One word: NO
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### Author:  [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/111 "2005-02-05T05:15:12Z")
Hey mods, I’m still waiting for that scarlett letter. Maybe you could just make the “V” red or something.
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### Author:  [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/112 "2005-02-05T05:26:31Z")
It’s OK, **Even Sven** , Attention left $20 on your dresser.
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/113 "2005-02-05T05:29:37Z")
> [@even sven](#):
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> Hey mods, I’m still waiting for that scarlett letter. Maybe you could just make the “V” red or something.
Why should we pay for your healthcare and/or education?
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### Author:  [@Hazel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hazel)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/114 "2005-02-05T05:51:13Z")
> [@Roland Deschain](#):
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> At least Bush has dared to put big ideas on the table like Social Security, tax reform, tort reform, education reform in the form of school choice, and the most idealistic foreign policy since Reagan. I understand that you disagree with his proposals, but at least he offers them. Personally, Bush is way to liberal and Sociolist for my taste. However, I consider him far better than the alternative.
uhhh… you’re joking, right? \*George W. Bush[/] is way too _liberal and socialist?_ If you actually mean that, could you please give some examples of his liberal, socialist actions/policies/statements?
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### Author:  [@Hazel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hazel)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/115 "2005-02-05T05:58:38Z")
> [@Roland Deschain](#):
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> Personally speaking I don’t think that the government should even be involved in the business of marriage. For me marriage is between two people and their God (or lack there of). Nothing honks me of more that the thought that I have to pay higher taxes if I am legally classified as married.
Well, I agree with you on that. Govt should not be in the business of granting people official permission to have sex, or to live together. Nor should they be in the business of granting people permission to stop having sex, or to stop living together.
Let marriage be a religious ceremony with no govt involvement. Let people who want to form families draw up and sign contracts – if they choose to.
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### Author:  [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/116 "2005-02-05T08:43:03Z")
> [@milroyj](#):
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> Why should we pay for your healthcare and/or education?
Well, it’s a little late to pay for my education, so I guess I’m just asking you guys all personally to pay for some health insurance because I’m just that great a gal.
OR maybe I’m trying to say what I said, which is that Bush is bringing up the “problem” of health care and higher education in America, which is quite worrying to many people, but he is ignoring the fact that the problem- which is not found in many countries comporable to America- is created by the very policies he esposes and in fact he has the balls to use those as a selling point.
Everyone else has figured this one out, bud. Your on the loseing side of the progress of civilization here. Western societies won’t be leaving who gets an education to the fate of fortune and who lives and who dies to who can give the surgeon more money for much longer. The big question is how much waste and suffering has to happen before we start looking for real change, not just believing the rich every time they say that what works for them works for the rest of the world. There is one big loser in GWB’s policies, and that loser is the people of America. Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor- we’ll work them and bleed them and leave their kids to fallow.
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### Author:  [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/117 "2005-02-05T13:14:33Z")
> [@milroyj](#):
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> They didn’t? Some do, that’s for sure. Our very own OP has $20K in the bank, and can afford to traipse about India, but still wants the rest of us to pay for her healthcare, and her education.
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> One word: NO
Ah yes the OP has money therefore no one else could truely be in need. Thats some brilliant logic there.
I personally can give you one example milroyj of a hard working individual that depends on his SS to live. Are you telling me you want to toss him out on the street and let him starve?
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### Author:  [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/118 "2005-02-05T16:04:28Z")
Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions **and frivolous asbestos claims** – and I urge Congress to pass legal reforms this year.
Anyone care to guess what company is most “troubled” by asbestos law suits?
Need a hint?
Starts with H…
ends with N.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/119 "2005-02-05T17:29:23Z")
And, for extra credit…
Which current Admin official was CEO of Haliburton when it acquired the company burdened with asbestos lawsuit liability, in a bold, innovative move still studied with gasps of admiration at the Little Yellow Bus School of Business?
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### Author:  [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2005, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-too-long-bush-bashing-sotu-blow-by-blow/288136/120 "2005-02-05T21:17:20Z")
> [@even sven](#):
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> OR maybe I’m trying to say what I said, which is that Bush is bringing up the “problem” of health care and higher education in America, which is quite worrying to many people, but he is ignoring the fact that the problem- which is not found in many countries comporable to America- is created by the very policies he esposes and in fact he has the balls to use those as a selling point.
Can you be more specific? What policies that Bush esposes (sic) have created a problem in health care and higher education in America over the last four years?
How are things any different now than they were in the eight years prior to that?
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