# Ways to avoid PKs to get a winner in football/soccer **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ways-to-avoid-pks-to-get-a-winner-in-football-soccer/837136 "2019-07-15T17:01:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Wallaby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/dc4da7/32.png) [@Wallaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallaby)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ways-to-avoid-pks-to-get-a-winner-in-football-soccer/837136/41 "2019-07-17T00:08:13Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Shockingly to me, UK soccer cup finals in the early 20th had full game replays if the final ended tied: > > [1911–12 FA Cup - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911%E2%80%9312_FA_Cup) Actually, they had an FA cup final replay as recently as 1993. The rules were changed for Finals and Semi-final draws to be decided by extra-time and penalties in 1999. All earlier rounds still have replays. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ways-to-avoid-pks-to-get-a-winner-in-football-soccer/837136/42 "2019-07-17T05:24:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Granted that the kicks (whatever you call them) aren’t Real Soccer, but they’re still a heck of a lot closer to Real Soccer than coin-flips are. Yes. I also prefer KFTPM to a coin-flip or some of the other dubious suggestions. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ways-to-avoid-pks-to-get-a-winner-in-football-soccer/837136/43 "2019-07-17T05:30:53Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > I like this:) In a real-life _Hunger Games_ or _Running Man_ kind of way, yeah. I dig it. Next big reality show, for sure! ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ways-to-avoid-pks-to-get-a-winner-in-football-soccer/837136/44 "2019-07-17T07:35:35Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I would have thought it would have encouraged the exact opposite; full-on offensive aggression. TPTB at the time thought the same; it didn’t turn out that way. Which is why you will have to forgive the frustration among some of us who see this suggested every fucking year as if it were a wonderful solution. Nothing has changed to suggest the outcome would be any different if it were tried again. > [@Velocity](#): > > Sudden-death extra time with\*\* no goalies \*\*would make for frenetic, hectic soccer…but would probably give an unfair advantage to the team that had possession of the ball first. > [@filmore](#): > > What about some sort of situation like 2 forwards against the goalie, but with some restrictions to make it competitive. For example, kick shots can only be taken outside the penalty box. Within the box, a player can only use their body above the waist. If a player touches the ball with their foot within the box, the ball has to go outside the box before a shot can be taken. Something like that would have the two forwards either trying to drill it in from outside the box, or come up with some sort of trick play to get a header in. > [@DCnDC](#): > > I want 10-minute overtime periods, no sudden death. Every 10 minute period that ends without a winner, each side loses a player. OT1, full 11-on-11. OT2, 10-on-10. OT3, 9-on-9, and so on, all the way down to 3-on-3. If you somehow can’t get a winner out of all that, PKs at that point seem much less unfair. If the main complaint against KFTPM is that it isn’t like normal football, I don’t think any of these suggestions address that. > [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > a way to reduce ties is to increase offense but they seem to have no interest in that. Happy to see new proposals on this - have you got any? With the emphasis on “new”, i.e. not making the goals bigger or removing the offside rule. > [@g8rguy](#): > > This may be a cultural thing, for all I know, but when a winner is required all four of our major professional sports leagues keep playing until someone wins. This is less a concern with basketball or football, but both baseball games and hockey games can go on for truly staggering amounts of time. > > Thus, you end up with things like [this](https://www.nhl.com/news/this-date-in-nhl-history-march-24/c-279805016): > And [this:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_innings#Major_League_Baseball) > > Coincidentally, this also comes out as close to three full regulation games in length. This is exactly what TPTB want to avoid. The only game of baseball I have been to was tied after 9 innings. We had to leave during the 10th inning (just when the game was getting exciting) as it was getting late. How many people were in the stands at 1am for that longest game? How many were able to come back the next day to see its conclusion? It’s not so bad for a regular season game where there is time in the schedule to catch up, but at the end of a long tournament like a World Cup, it’s just way to disruptive to countenance any system that extends play for more than an hour or so beyond the expected finish time. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ways-to-avoid-pks-to-get-a-winner-in-football-soccer/837136/45 "2019-07-17T13:38:47Z")
baseball games that go very late into the night are rare. In the past they would stop play and resume the game the next day if the 2 teams were playing the next day - before the scheduled game that day. I don’t know if they still do that . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ways-to-avoid-pks-to-get-a-winner-in-football-soccer/837136.md?page=2)