# WB's "Birds of Prey"---Who's going to be watching?

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [October 15, 2002, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wbs-birds-of-prey-whos-going-to-be-watching/132303 "2002-10-15T12:10:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2002, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wbs-birds-of-prey-whos-going-to-be-watching/132303/21 "2002-10-28T12:32:23Z")

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> _Originally posted by DocCathode \*  
> \*\* Since the Batman and Catwoman of Earth 2 are older than those of Earth 1(Except Elseworlds, all current Batman related titles [Robin, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Nightwing, Azrael, Shadow of, Legend of, Detective etc] take place on Earth 1), they retired and got married. Their daughter, Helena Wayne, went on to become Huntress 1._ \*\*

A quibble:

All current Batman titles (indeed, all current DC Universe titles) do **NOT** take place on Earth-1. Earth-1 was destroyed in the Crisis like the other Earths. Earth-1’s history can’t be reconcilled with the current world.

“OK” you think “They take place on Earth-After Crisis (Earth-AC), right?”

Wrong. First, there were two Post-Crisis worlds: the one that appeared in #11 and #12 of Crisis (remember Robin-Earth 2 and the Earth 2 Huntress hanging around with the Shazam! characters? Remember the real Jason Todd (not the street punk, the circus kid) hanging around with the Teen Titans)? Remember Braniac mourning the death of Supergirl? Remember the Freedom Fighters arguing with Harbinger about their history?

Somewhere after Crisis, but not consistant across DC titles, Earth-After Crisis changed into another world. One where no-one remembered the “true” events of Crisis and the stuff mentioned above were quietly removed. Jason Todd mutated from interesting character to street punk. Call this world Earth Post Crisis

“OK” you think “They take place on Earth-Post Crisis, right?”

Wrong.

Remember Zero-Hour? Sadly, so do I. Rewrote history AGAIN and made some _stupid_ changes to characters’ histories (don’t even get me started on the change to Batman). So now we’re on Earth-Zero.

For those of you who don’t read this stuff, yeah. It’s just as confusing and dumb from the perspective of someone who’s been reading 'em for 30-some years.

Fenris

PS **Doc** : Cavelleri, not much. He’s done a bunch of fairly forgettable stuff but Staton’s one of the true unsung greats of comics, up there with Jim Aparo. (Plus, IIRC, Staton co-created the Earth-2 version of the Hunteress)

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**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2002, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wbs-birds-of-prey-whos-going-to-be-watching/132303/22 "2002-10-28T17:40:36Z")

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Fenris-I sit corrected.

Re-Staton  
I’ve found Fenris to have great taste when it comes to comics. If he calls Staton a genius, his work must be quality. I do hereby apologize for calling him a moron.

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**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wbs-birds-of-prey-whos-going-to-be-watching/132303/23 "2002-10-29T01:16:44Z")

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doccathode, rocking chairs on porches can be rather exciting at times.

i have watched birds of prey and rather enjoy it

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