# We are SO FUCKED (Ruth Bader Ginsburg died tonight) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2020, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959 "2020-09-18T23:42:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/201 "2020-09-23T14:26:38Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Great. I’m guessing Rush Limbaugh or Joe Shapiro will be taking her place. 🙄 Fucked, is right. It will be a 19-year-old bottle blonde from Liberty University. All rise for, like, the honorable Justice MacKortlinn White. “I’m so honored that Donald has entrusted unto me this honorable trust. For all intensive purposes, he’s touched me and my life as he touches his own daughter. I will repay this sacred debt at my earliest convenience.” ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/202 "2020-09-23T14:30:32Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > We need 4 R senators to vote no. Murkowski, Collins and Romney (maybe) make 3 Think there’s one more R senator with a spine? I’m no fan of Pat Toomey, but his predecessor Arlen Specter was a great man. Maybe some of Arlen’s greatness will rub off. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/203 "2020-09-23T14:31:37Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I’m surprised about Romney – his vote for conviction on the impeachment charges had me thinking he might actually have principles. But I guess he only has principles when he knows they won’t make any difference. Republican principles are always 100% a situational, transactional, virtue performance. They rely on being taken at face value and never challenged. When actually put to the test, they fold like a card table and make meek little noises about “right to life” or “small government”. Bunch of foaming gurgling pussies if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/204 "2020-09-23T15:38:44Z")
I believe that the Republicans and conservatives have been grooming their constituents for some time. They started slow, feeding them a little lie here and a casual untruth there, then ramped it up until they would believe anything. Then they gradually shed the traditional conservative values that didn’t serve the long con. And now that their constituents are groomed, they are going for the payoff. The modern Conservative party is a grift. A con game. I highly recommend this article. I selected this one primarily because it’s old. The premise is what I’ve outlined above and their “proof”, their real life example of grift- is that a lying liar of a Presidential candidate has disgraced the Grand Old Party with his constant lying lies — Mitt Romney. I chose this article because it’s good for us frogs to recognize how hot the water has gradually gotten, and because the course of events since it was written goes to show how right the author was. > **[The Long Con](https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con)** > > Mitt Romney is a liar. Of course, in some sense, all politicians, even all human beings, are liars. Romney’s lying went so over-the-top extravagant by this summer, though, that the New York Times… I have been researching this lately. My “wall of links”, which I save in Notepad, is up to 35. These links are the story of Republicans and conservatives literally running scams and ripping off donors. Liberty U. The NRA. Build the Wall. The 10 Tea Party PACs that spent less than 5% of their donations on their mission and the ensuing scandal that was ginned up when the IRS tried to investigate. Ann Coulter hawks financial scams. Allen West promotes a scam church that involves literally drinking bleach. Mike Huckabee hawks a “biblical cancer cure.” Whole Food magazine, the natural supplement industry publication named Mitch McConnell their 2019 Person of the Year. Since 2015, I have often engaged in political conversations IRL. Whenever these discussions turned to something Trump promised, my response has been the same. “So what, it’s meaningless. He’s nothing but con artist”. And he found the perfect audience. I’ll will acknowledge that there are probably a lot of conservatives that see this and want to escape the cult and leaving cults is hard. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/205 "2020-09-23T16:57:52Z")
There is no way Republicans will not vote to confirm this justice. Time to mentally brace ourselves for a 6-3 court in favor of conservative ideologues. And if Breyer goes, it’ll be 7-2. It’s the most conservative bench since at least the 1930s and perhaps the most conservative since before the Civil War. Despite representing a minority of public opinion, conservatives are setting it up to be a minority that governs the majority into perpetuity. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/206 "2020-09-23T18:05:39Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > We need 4 R senators to vote no. Murkowski, Collins and Romney (maybe) make 3. Think there’s one more R senator with a spine? If Mark Kelly wins in Arizona, he gets seated in November. But the vote will probably come before that. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/207 "2020-09-23T18:12:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > If Mark Kelly wins in Arizona, he gets seated in November. But the vote will probably come before that. The vote may well come next week. There is no requirement for hearings (or as McConnell showed in 2016 even for a vote). ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/208 "2020-09-23T18:39:07Z")
Nancy Pelosi says Dems have "arrows in our quiver.” What are they, and what the fuck is she waiting for? She has ruled out a government shutdown. Impeach Trump again? Impeach Barr? Those sound like bad stunts. What’s she got? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/209 "2020-09-23T18:46:39Z")
That’s a good question - the Senate is its own thing and the House has very little sway over it. I did read where the Senate rules require that all business be dropped if the House sends over articles of impeachment, but that is only going to work once (and even for that once, Mitch will just immediately call a vote without hearings of any kind). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/210 "2020-09-23T19:23:23Z")
She has no arrows. There is nothing that can stop McConnell and Trump from putting another conservative on the bench. Pelosi’s talking about her imaginary bodyguard at this point. I think the best thing Dems can do is to make this an election issue. If voters don’t come out and vote out the entire GOP, it’s going to be a 7-2 majority within a year or two. Talk about the impact on ACA and other laws we take for granted. I think that’s the only realistic option. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/211 "2020-09-23T19:27:26Z")
Schumer has invoked a rule which says that no Senate committee or subcommittee can meet after the Senate has been in session for two hours or after 2 p.m. > **[Schumer invokes "two-hour rule" to block Senate committee hearings](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/schumer-invokes-rule-to-block-senate-committee-hearings/)** > > The Senate minority leader said that "we can't have business as usual when Republicans are destroying the institution." ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/212 "2020-09-23T21:08:33Z")
I’m actually surprised DumpsterFire hasn’t floated the idea of nominating himself to the Supreme Court. As our foremost expert on the U.S. Constitution, he’s actually denying our country his expertise - in a lifetime position. (Steve gives himself a dope slap for even suggesting this) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/213 "2020-09-24T01:37:58Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > I’m actually surprised DumpsterFire hasn’t floated the idea of nominating himself to the Supreme Court. As our foremost expert on the U.S. Constitution, he’s actually denying our country his expertise - in a lifetime position. There’s not all that much scope for funneling cash from taxpayers into your own pockets, on the Supreme Court. “Emperor” is a much better position for that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/214 "2020-09-24T04:05:02Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Schumer has invoked a rule which says that no Senate committee or subcommittee can meet after the Senate has been in session for two hours or after 2 p.m. The GOP will just poo-poo on this rule anyway, forcing Chuck to have to go shut off the lights. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/215 "2020-09-24T04:08:35Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This gives the GOP a reason to ignore Trump’s and McConnell’s shitcanery, another reason to stagger to the polls. Meh, Republicans tend to be reliably consistent voters in any case. For me the faint gleam of hope comes from the hope that some wavering Democrats may be fired up to vote for Biden who otherwise wouldn’t have. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/216 "2020-09-24T04:15:06Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I’ve also seen a report that Romney has said he won’t support seating a new Justice, but haven’t been able to find a cite. Don’t bother [searching](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/22/romney-supports-holding-a-vote-on-next-supreme-court-nominee-419898). ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/217 "2020-09-24T04:24:04Z")
> [@lynne-42](#): > > and the support for a president we can only see as immoral and unethical. But we don’t support him. He got in by a technicality we call the Electoral College. All our votes matter, but if you live in Wyoming or Alaska your vote matters much more than if you live in California. ---
**Author:** ![lynne-42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lynne-42/32/3138_2.png) [@lynne-42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynne-42)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/218 "2020-09-24T04:40:04Z")
I look forward to a democratic outcome in November. It is worrying for an Australian, but it must be far more than that for many Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/219 "2020-09-24T06:24:09Z")
Sorry for coming into the thread late. I just had a sudden realization. The Republicans are behaving exactly as they would if they knew they were about to lose the White House and the Senate. I am sure this is obvious to everyone here, but is just dawned on me. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959/220 "2020-09-24T12:16:42Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > For all intensive purposes, he’s touched me and my life as he touches his own daughter. Funny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-are-so-fucked-ruth-bader-ginsburg-died-tonight/920959.md?page=12)