# We as Liberals.. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2007, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622 "2007-07-13T09:44:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/81 "2007-07-14T23:30:45Z")
Bush’s Rim Licker. 😃 That’s the best username I’ve seen since Smartass. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/82 "2007-07-15T01:58:42Z")
So, real liberals believe that they have some sort of right to compel others to believe exactly as they do, or not describe themselves as liberal. Wow. I am glad I never thought I was a liberal. How tedious it must be. Tris ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/83 "2007-07-15T02:08:00Z")
[QUOTE=Triskadecamus] So, real liberals believe that they have some sort of right to compel others to believe exactly as they do, or not describe themselves as liberal. [/QUOTE] Well, one does. Personally, I don’t believe that anyone who starts out thinking that **Liberal** is a member of the U.S. political subset thus described will remain confused for long. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/84 "2007-07-15T02:12:46Z")
He’ll explain it _all_ to you, if you ask him. And if you do, I’ll hunt you down. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/85 "2007-07-15T02:24:10Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] But wait! There’s more! “The program of liberalism, therefore, if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property, that is, private ownership of the means of production… All the other demands of liberalism result from his fundamental demand.” — Ludwig von Mises, _Liberalism in the Classical Tradition_ Ah, beautiful. 🆒 [/QUOTE] There was some stuff he wrote about the wedding of Christianity to Free-Market capitalism that was downright frightening. I need to go re-read it to figure out why it scared me so much. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/86 "2007-07-15T03:03:19Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] Universal Health Care is (one of) my diversions from **Liberal** ’s philosophy. I think people should be responsible for their own decisions, and, so far as their actions do not cause harm to others, should be let make those decisions (as long as they are competent and informed adults.) I am not anti-taxes, however, as I want those to fund things like roads, daycares and that Universal Health Care thingy - things that are cheaper in great scale or require very large scale logistics. I don’t want to go back to depending on Joe Smith to keep his section of highway drivable. OTOH, I’m pro-legalization of all substances and activities among any number of consenting adults - recreational, sexual, marriage or otherwise. [/QUOTE] Ooookay. So you are a social libertarian, just like almost everyone else on this board, but you are FOR taxes paying for a whole bunch of things that LIberal would never think tax fundable. Then you mention that his awesome philosophies just might crumble in real life. So tell me, would you voting for Ron Paul? ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/87 "2007-07-15T05:10:25Z")
[QUOTE=CarnalK] So tell me, would you voting for Ron Paul? [/QUOTE] Unless he can beat Hillary’s “money and a BJ” platform, he’s dead meat as far as I am concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/88 "2007-07-15T05:52:53Z")
I’m a republican, if anyone cares. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/89 "2007-07-15T06:12:58Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] I’m a republican, if anyone cares. [/QUOTE] God save our gracious Queen, Long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/90 "2007-07-15T07:44:09Z")
[QUOTE=Triskadecamus] So, real liberals believe that they have some sort of right to compel others to believe exactly as they do, or not describe themselves as liberal. Wow. I am glad I never thought I was a liberal. How tedious it must be. Tris [/QUOTE] It’s not at all about compelling others to believe as I do. I couldn’t care less what you or **Lib** believes. It’s his representing himself as something I believe in, and that he only represents himself as such to piss off the other Dopers. Just. Change. Your. Name. You weaselly little fuck. You bailed on what seems to be your core principle before… (changing from **Libertarian** to **Liberal** ). It’s a slippery slope that you’ve already conceded to… just for a cheap joke. So come up with a new joke and Change. Your. Name. It’s no big deal anymore. Your cred is gone. Hell, change it back to **Libertarian**! At least that would garner some modicum of respect. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/91 "2007-07-15T08:03:59Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] It’s his representing himself as something I believe in, and that he only represents himself as such to piss off the other Dopers. [/QUOTE] **Liberal** and I get along approximately as well as gasoline and a lit match, but, y’know, this is bullshit. He has explained - as alluded to above - in great detail both at the time of his name change and as the subject has arisen since, both why he changed it and what he believes it stands for. To insist that he did it just to jerk our chains is, frankly, nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/92 "2007-07-15T08:07:57Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.” — Hillary Clinton, 28 June, 2004 [/QUOTE] You want to make gov’t smaller, and decrease taxes, and take away welfare, and health care, and **I’m** the eugenicist… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/93 "2007-07-15T08:13:59Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] **Liberal** and I get along approximately as well as gasoline and a lit match, but, y’know, this is bullshit. He has explained - as alluded to above - in great detail both at the time of his name change and as the subject has arisen since, both why he changed it and what he believes it stands for. To insist that he did it just to jerk our chains is, frankly, nonsense. [/QUOTE] Bullshit! I don’t care what you scholars perceive as the traditional, historical view of what a Liberal is. Today, at least here in the states, the “Liberal” philosophy is clear. And **Lib** is NOT that! I don’t care how he conned y’all mods into changing his name on some grand principle. It’s still just trolling. Like I said about myself before, I say about y’all… ::fished in:: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/94 "2007-07-15T08:25:18Z")
[QUOTE=Dead Badger] Why don’t Proudhonnists drink Lapsang Souchong? Because proper tea is theft. Edit: I fucking love that joke. It’s almost as good as “which three football teams have swearing in their names?” [/QUOTE] [This is my only arty-farty joke,](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/if6was9/cubist_art_school.jpg) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/95 "2007-07-15T08:27:42Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] Your cred is gone. [/QUOTE] Someone’s certainly is. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/96 "2007-07-15T08:40:09Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Someone’s certainly is. [/QUOTE] Heh! Like I have proposed that I have any… :rolleyes: If you think **Lib** has any either, you belong among the ::fished in:: too. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/97 "2007-07-15T09:03:49Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] You want to make gov’t smaller, and decrease taxes, and take away welfare, and health care, and **I’m** the eugenicist… :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Has there ever been any sort of non-governmental eugenics programs? Unless I’m missing your meaning, you seem to be phrasing the statement as a contradictory one when there’s no contradiction. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/98 "2007-07-15T09:13:08Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] Has there ever been any sort of non-governmental eugenics programs? Unless I’m missing your meaning, you seem to be phrasing the statement as a contradictory one when there’s no contradiction. [/QUOTE] No… I’m saying that **Lib’s** core beliefs are that those that can… will. Survival of the fittest. And fuck the rest. And he calls for a gov that will do just that. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/99 "2007-07-15T09:13:44Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] Heh! Like I have proposed that I have any… :rolleyes: If you think **Lib** has any either, you belong among the ::fished in:: too. [/QUOTE] See, here’s the problem. If you said, for example, that \*\*Liberal \*\* had no fish, that’s something tangible. Fish do not depend on other people. But cred, now, that relies upon what people think; what the general consensus is. And the general consensus seems to be that **Liberal** isn’t trolling on this and you’re a moron for claiming to speak for all liberals. So really, you can only actually say he’s lost cred with _you_ and you alone. I’m sure he’ll be devastated. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622/100 "2007-07-15T09:17:59Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] Has there ever been any sort of non-governmental eugenics programs? Unless I’m missing your meaning, you seem to be phrasing the statement as a contradictory one when there’s no contradiction. [/QUOTE] And DAMMIT! I’m saying again, that is the (modern) (today) (not some 18th fucking century view’s) VIEW of Liberalism. Bring ALL of your citizens into the fold. Not just those that meet your standards. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-as-liberals/411622.md?page=6)