# We can remove fetuses & embryos from the womb & bring 'em to term. Change your mind about abortion? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 25, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923 "2013-06-25T23:26:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Vercingetorix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/848f3c/32.png) [@Vercingetorix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vercingetorix)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/21 "2013-06-26T05:29:26Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m pretty sure Pat Robertson and everyone at Fox News will see it as a chance to outlaw abortion. They’ll support it as an excuse to end abortion, but I bet they’ll be dead silent on allowing access to this system to low-income people, thus effectively banning abortion for the people who most need it as an option. ---
**Author:** ![manila](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@manila](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manila)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/22 "2013-06-26T06:03:22Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > It’s true. There’s nothing women like more than destroying their young. > > Also, in the Good News! Department: the JB2718 would be a huge boon to the for-profit orphanage industry! And stem cell farming and cloning and creating offspring for spare parts. But presuming, the transfer is done early, would abortion be permissible for the new host if the fetus mal develops or has some other defect that only shows up later in the term? ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/23 "2013-06-26T10:48:31Z")
Doesn’t change my view. My medical decisions are between my doctor and myself. I welcome another option, but it doesn’t change my fundamental right to control my body. In my case, I would be very uncomfortable bringing an unwanted child into the world. I don’t think embryos are particularly sacred, and I have no problem with terminating an early pregnancy on whatever grounds. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/24 "2013-06-26T12:46:52Z")
Doesn’t change my mind. Abortion is about reproductive freedom, at its core, for women. ---
**Author:** ![Girl\_From\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3da27b/32.png) [@Girl\_From\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girl_From_Mars)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/25 "2013-06-26T12:55:07Z")
My first thought was of an increase in state run orphanages, and the ‘Roumanian Orphans’ that would result, which is less palatable to me than a ball of cells removed before it has any chance of sentience. So pro-choice, and no, this doesn’t change my POV. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/26 "2013-06-26T13:36:40Z")
Yeah, that’s all we need. A bunch of unwanted children caught in the system. Let’s bring on the crime wave of the century a few decades down the line. I can just hear the words cooing out of horny teenage boys: “Common, it feels better without a condom, besides, if you get pregnant, they’ll just teleport it out” ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/27 "2013-06-26T13:44:23Z")
I am uncomfortable with the notion of aborting a fetus when there is a way to bring it to term without obligating its mother to be an unwilling host, but I’m concerned about what will happen to all these unwanted fetuses. I recall seeing a statistic of 1 million abortions a year in the US (I haven’t caught up on newer posts in this thread so forgive me if its been discussed since I read through this morning), and that would put a lot of pressure on the adoption and foster programs. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/28 "2013-06-26T13:56:01Z")
Yeah, the remaining big issue with carrying an unwanted fetus to term is that its unwanted. There is about a three year backlog of waiting parents if we’d stop abortions in this country, around year four, you have a surplus of children. Tell me when Brad and Suzy figure out a way to equalize the supply demand equation and we’ll talk. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyClueless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MostlyClueless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyClueless)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/29 "2013-06-26T14:09:43Z")
I’m pro-choice, and will remain that way. ---
**Author:** ![Essured](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Essured](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Essured)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/30 "2013-06-26T14:21:29Z")
I’m pro-choice because I don’t think anyone should remain pregnant if they don’t want to be. This device removes that problem and puts women and men on an equal plane. It would be interesting to see what would happen in this hypothetical world. I bet there would soon be some kind of legal opt-in / opt-out that would be created that would give the option to pull the plug if both parents wished that to happen. In this world, that would be unthinkable, but in a world with thousands & thousands of unwanted children? I think our societies morals are pretty malleable - what is unthinkable now, was common in our past… ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/31 "2013-06-26T17:08:17Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > \ > What the hell do I care? RhE is a largely though not exclusively criminal enterprise dedicated to making money, murdering Welshmen, and stirring up shit.\ Thank God you’re not going after Canadians, too. Oh oh. I’ve said too much… > [@Dangerosa](#): > > Yeah, the remaining big issue with carrying an unwanted fetus to term is that its unwanted. There is about a three year backlog of waiting parents if we’d stop abortions in this country, around year four, you have a surplus of children. Tell me when Brad and Suzy figure out a way to equalize the supply demand equation and we’ll talk. That’s one of my first thoughts, too - this technology has to come with some kind of reproductive controls, or we’ll just breed ourselves into oblivion even faster than we already are. (I’m just ignoring the “expensive” caveat since once technology is invented it usually become cheaper and more accessible over time.) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/32 "2013-06-26T17:32:30Z")
Imagine what the Duggar’s could do with this machine (along with members of the ‘quiver full’ movement). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/33 "2013-06-26T18:20:25Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > I’m pro-choice, and this device wouldn’t change my mind. I’d welcome it as another option, but I don’t think that it should or would replace abortion completely. > [@](#): > > As a feminist, I think that it’s outrageous that only Brad got dropped into the alligator pit, unless Suzy was dropped into a crocodile pit. Or maybe a snake pit. It just depends on what sort of pits you keep around RhE. In the first place, of course Suzy wasn’t dropped into a crocodile pit or otherwise executed, or even harmed. Rhymer Enterprises does not harm women except in self-defense, and she wasn’t attacking anybody at RhE. I just docked her pay and sent her to bed without supper. In the second place, I’m not sure how feminism comes into it. How are women harmed by a policy that says women may not be harmed? > [@](#): > > Also, where’s the damn food option? Just to be nice: [Chocolate taffy](http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/chocolate-taffy-recipe/reviews/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/34 "2013-06-26T18:41:37Z")
I’m pro-choice and this wouldn’t change my mind - I mean, I’m not going to object if someone wants to use the device themselves, but if a woman just wants an abortion, she should be able to still get it. That’s not changed. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/35 "2013-06-26T18:45:23Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > In the second place, I’m not sure how feminism comes into it. How are women harmed by a policy that says women may not be harmed? I’m bringing this up at the next Union meeting. We demand equal access to torture and death on the job! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/36 "2013-06-26T18:46:44Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Thank God you’re not going after Canadians, too. Oh oh. I’ve said too much… You’re confusing the Evil Services Provider Skald with the Diabolic Bureaucrat Skald. Anyway, I’ll ask you a variation of the question I asked Lynn: How, exactly, are Canadians injured by a policy banning them from eternal damnation? “Oh, we can’t be thrown into the pit of fire for all eternity like Americans! It’s not fair!” Doesn’t make much sense when you say it out loud. > [@](#): > > That’s one of my first thoughts, too - this technology has to come with some kind of reproductive controls, or we’ll just breed ourselves into oblivion even faster than we already are. (I’m just ignoring the “expensive” caveat since once technology is invented it usually become cheaper and more accessible over time.) I’m pretty sure the JB2718 will always be more expensive than condoms, or even the Pill. Anyhoo, the fetues aren’t put in stasis, you know; they’re brought to term. So the parents will still have to decide what to do once gestation is done, and leaving them at RhE is not an option. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/37 "2013-06-26T19:57:35Z")
See, I’ve been assuming that Suzy was reassigned and that her new job involves alligator poop. Apparently, I’m too evil for RhE. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/38 "2013-06-26T20:08:41Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > See, I’ve been assuming that Suzy was reassigned and that her new job involves alligator poop. Apparently, I’m too evil for RhE. Why would I murder a female technomage who invented a workable project? She just needed to be redirected into more malevolent apps, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/39 "2013-06-26T20:16:45Z")
In such a case, regulating reproduction becomes even more important, and the line between abortion and infanticide–well, it doesn’t necessarily fade away so much as turn a different color. I would have to come out as even more pro-abortion. Too many people would try to have extra kids all at once. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923/40 "2013-06-26T20:38:11Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Why would I murder a female technomage who invented a workable project? She just needed to be redirected into more malevolent apps, that’s all. I never said anything about _murder_. What a nasty imagination your have. Or - maybe I’m being unfair. Perhaps RhE has been exploring alternate means of zoo animal by-product removal? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-can-remove-fetuses-embryos-from-the-womb-bring-em-to-term-change-your-mind-about-abortion/661923.md?page=3)