# We could eliminate cervical cancer, but then more people might screw! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2005, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837 "2005-04-18T02:59:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/41 "2005-04-18T15:11:19Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > And yet in other threads your think other people’s lives are not only your business, but that you should have a say in the disposition of it. > > Hypocrite. El linko, por favor. ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/42 "2005-04-18T15:12:24Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > And yet in other threads your think other people’s lives are not only your business, but that you should have a say in the disposition of it. > > Hypocrite. What a pathetic little illogical worm. Believing that the government has no business euthanizing someone is perfectly compatible with the concept of not denying others the vaccines they wish to use. But that is probably way beyond your intellect. Sorry you are having trouble keeping up. ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/43 "2005-04-18T15:13:37Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > But you forget that, for folks like this, there _is_ no such thing as other people’s business. The extreme fringes on both ends (Left and Right) have much more in common than those of us in the middle who wish to leave our pocket books and bedrooms unmolested by the government. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/44 "2005-04-18T15:16:03Z")
You know, if my daily-Mass Mom’n’Dad had not engaged in sex at least three times during their 38 years of marriage, I wouldn’t exist, or have two brothers. Fucking is necessary for the economy, can’t go on selling diapers with no babies and the Holy Ghost was a one-time shot. And no, those freaks never think that it’s men who go whoring, and that a man can catch whatever wherever and transmit it to his wife. All those village women in Africa who have caught AIDS from their husbands, when the husband returned home once he was too sick to work, are just a figment of the lefties’ imagination. Beethoven’s mom did evidently not get syphylys (sp?) from her loose-fly husband, she was the whore of Babylon. I mean, what do you expect from a woman who gave birth to a musician? If Ludwig had been born nowadays, he might be writing _gasp_ Rock and Roll! ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/45 "2005-04-18T15:31:31Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > Put them in steel-belted, triple-padlocked chastity belts and lock them away in dungeons, and they will manage to find a way to break out and fuck. True, some may not–but the rest will. I like this idea. Just think of how much stronger our society would become if we locked up all the women just so they could excape. Only the strongest, smartest women would get out. Then think of the carnage of the smaller, weaker men trying to get at the women. We could have a race of super fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/46 "2005-04-18T15:45:12Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Beyond the abstinence-only/religious fundamentalists who are already opposing the vaccine, threats to its implementation will come from a variety of pseudo-scientific sources. > > There are the general anti-vaccine fearmongers, who will spread nonsense about the alleged dangers or uselessness of vaccines, including numerous “alternative medicine” advocates. Take for instance [this guy](http://www.mercola.com/2002/dec/11/cervical_cancer.htm), a purveyor of misinformation on many fronts. Note that one of the sources for this article is molecular biologist Peter “HIV Doesn’t Cause AIDS” Duesberg. :rolleyes: > > Some of the most at-risk individuals for cervical cancer come from lower-income groups, who will benefit from public funding for the vaccine. Don’t doubt that the abstinence-only politicians will try to block this. I wonder if the med mal lawyers will also object, as “missed” Pap smears are a great source of litigation for them. Of course, in the long term I wonder if the eventual eradication of HPV 6, 8, 16, 18, et al. will then uncover new (rare) oncogenic serotypes (look, this tumor’s positive for HPV 253! 🙂 ) > [@](#): > > Beyond the public health reasons, it’d be wonderful if the vaccine received wide acceptance, for I eventually wouldn’t have to look at so many #&^$! Pap slides. Amen to that! –Pazu (MD); still with 15 Pap smears left over from last Thursday ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/47 "2005-04-18T15:58:10Z")
Okay, maybe I am, in fact, stating the obvious here. If I am, please excuse me. I’m looking at this from a different perspective of those that oppose the vaccine, oppose birth control, and the like. It’s not that the existance of these things would give license to sex. That’s the nice way of saying it. I think many of these people secretly (or perhaps even publicly) figure, “If there is no safe sex option, it’ll scare kids into not having sex.” Of course, saying something like this sounds a heck of a lot worse than saying it the other way. Just my thought. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/48 "2005-04-18T17:21:50Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > And no, those freaks never think that it’s men who go whoring, and that a man can catch whatever wherever and transmit it to his wife. All those village women in Africa who have caught AIDS from their husbands, when the husband returned home once he was too sick to work, are just a figment of the lefties’ imagination. Beethoven’s mom did evidently not get syphylys (sp?) from her loose-fly husband, she was the whore of Babylon. I mean, what do you expect from a woman who gave birth to a musician? If Ludwig had been born nowadays, he might be writing _gasp_ Rock and Roll! Ya know, that’s what I was going to say, but you said it better than I could ever dream of having said it. ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/49 "2005-04-18T17:25:07Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Because, as every teenager and Bill Clinton know: sex is penis in vagina, nothing else counts Or as I like to put it: **Eatin’ ain’t cheatin’** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/50 "2005-04-18T18:34:10Z")
OK, the Family Research Council is definitely Evil, if it wasn’t before … and it was trending that way, big time. Between the fundies opposing HPV vaccines and Catholic cardinals in Africa straight up lying and saying that the AIDS virus can get through condoms, it’s starting to look like conservative religious organizations are essentially against people and for … viruses. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/51 "2005-04-18T19:05:26Z")
> [@Harimad-sol](#): > > So these wackos basically think the mere practice of–gasp!–premarital sex is more harmful than cancer? Or am I processing this wrong? > > That’s the same reasoning that keeps condoms and such away from people, because then they’ll have sex! Oh, no, what do we do? Cancer will only kill you. Premarital sex will damn your soul to eternal hell and suffering. As time on this Earth is fleeting, but you will spend an eternity in the afterlife, its important to protect people from themselves. Really, its internally consistant. Wacked, but consistant. Well, except perhaps for that whole “some of us haven’t accepted Jesus and so we are damned regardless” part. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/52 "2005-04-18T20:06:27Z")
**Evil Captor** , my understanding is that in some cases HIV can indeed get through condoms. It usually _doesn’t_, but it _can_. So I think they’re not so much lying in the traditional, technical sense as deceptively overstressing the importance of something that rarely happens. ---
**Author:** ![Kearse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f04885/32.png) [@Kearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearse)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/53 "2005-04-18T20:58:19Z")
Am I reading this right? “…as long as it is given prior to the onset of sexual activity…” This would imply that the “cure” is given as a precursor, kinda like a condom? You would know better than I the prevalence of this HPV. I have heard mention of it but I have no research to back up any claims. What I do know is that condoms have been around many many moons. How many diseases do you see which could have been prevented this way (had people actually acted responsibly) Abortions…etc I guess it all comes down to personal responsibility. I am all for the “cure” if indeed it is a cure and am formally against any type of governmental intrusion into my (or others) private lives. I just see it as a prohibitive measure more than the “cure” originally insinuated. BTW : Hi, I’m a new guy on the block and to answer the formal questions. 1. I’ve read here quite a bit on the recommendation of a “Leon” I know from a different board. (you need to let me know what name you post under so that I may discount what you say immediately!! 🙂 2. I’m formally “Conservative Republican” (maybe Traditional would be better) but I’m open to Libertarian Idea(s) Try as you might you won’t convince me of the Democratic ideology 😉 3. I’ve seen others post about being a father etc. I am foremost a father but I shall keep my identity. ---
**Author:** ![Floyd13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@Floyd13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floyd13)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/54 "2005-04-18T22:44:29Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > This makes me sick. > > and yes, I blame the conservative Christians. > > I would very much like any of them to come in here and defend this. You think these people can read? Isn’t the goal of religion to keep people as uneducated or should I say miseducated as possible? That way the sheeple will buy this kind of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/55 "2005-04-18T23:11:14Z")
I can’t let this go by without props. > [@Zebra](#): > > Ray, people will fuck Ray. They’ll fuck to Iowa for reasons they can’t even fathom. They’ll fuck your driveway not knowing for sure why they’re doing it. They’ll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the fuck. Of course, we won’t mind if you fuck around, you’ll say. It’s only $20 per person. They’ll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and fucking they lack. And they’ll walk out to the bleachers; fuck in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They’ll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they fucked when they were children and fucked their heroes. And they’ll watch the fucking and it’ll be as if they dipped their things in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they’ll have to brush them away from their faces. People will fuck Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been fucking. America has rolled by like an army of fuckers. It has been fucked like a blackboard, rebuilt and fucked again. But fucking has marked the time. This fuck, this game: it’s a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh… people will fuck Ray. People will most definitely fuck. I’ll tell you what. That right there made me laugh until tears streamed down my cheeks. Of course, I read it in James Earl Jones’ voice and pictured the fucking while I read it. You can’t not stop and join me. That’s some funny shit. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/56 "2005-04-18T23:24:45Z")
> [@Floyd13](#): > > You think these people can read? Isn’t the goal of religion to keep people as uneducated or should I say miseducated as possible? That way the sheeple will buy this kind of shit. Exactly. Anything you’ve ever heard about Boston College, Duke, Georgetown, Pepperdine, SMU, Wake Forest, BYU, Baylor, TCU, or any other university with a religious affiliation is made-up nonsense. They don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Floyd13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@Floyd13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floyd13)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/57 "2005-04-18T23:50:39Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > Exactly. Anything you’ve ever heard about Boston College, Duke, Georgetown, Pepperdine, SMU, Wake Forest, BYU, Baylor, TCU, or any other university with a religious affiliation is made-up nonsense. They don’t exist. You forgot Notre Dame, they’re morons too. ---
**Author:** ![elfbabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b782af/32.png) [@elfbabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfbabe)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/58 "2005-04-18T23:57:09Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Cancer will only kill you. Premarital sex will damn your soul to eternal hell and suffering. As time on this Earth is fleeting, but you will spend an eternity in the afterlife, its important to protect people from themselves. > > Really, its internally consistant. Wacked, but consistant. Except it neglects the whole “Jesus died for our sins” bit, which from what I remember is fairly important to the whole Christianity thing. 😃 I guess Jesus only died for our non-sexy sins. ---
**Author:** ![mojave66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@mojave66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mojave66)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/59 "2005-04-19T00:03:58Z")
\>Of course, in the long term I wonder if the eventual eradication of HPV 6, 8, 16, 18, et al. will then uncover new (rare) oncogenic serotypes (look, this tumor’s positive for HPV 253! ) We’re up to what now… ah, 90-something subtypes and still counting. Eliminating the more common yet virulent subtypesain’t such a bad idea, we could tackle the rarer forms after that. Even then, there’s evidence that certain types are more “fragile” than others in healthy immune systems, and can be eliminated, which is perhaps why we haven’t detected those types yet. (Moscicki et al.; I’m one of the “et al’s”.) BTW, for all those nice abstaining couples who think non-vaginal sex is A-OK, I wonder if the rates for anal warts will increase in those areas. Hm. An epidemic of rectal cancer in young fundamentalist adults might make Mrs. Self-Righteous Anti-Vaccine change her tune. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837/60 "2005-04-19T00:23:46Z")
You know, I think I’d pay to see that headline! I can just picture it. Sweet, Old-fashioned Girl (“SOG” for short) does what she believes is appropriate and remains a virgin until her wedding night then remains faithful to her husband. That’s not at all far-fetched for me – that was my plan even 15 years ago. Her husband, who she thought was a Sweet Old-fashioned Boy, turns out to either be an S.O.B. in a different sense and cheats on her or has an ex-girlfriend who wasn’t a SOG. Either way, he’s carrying HPV and passes it on to her. So, despite living the kind of lifestyle the Religious Right would approve of, somehow _she’s_ the one who winds up with cancer and winds up paying for his sins with her health. Ri-i-i-ight! :rolleyes: I’m with **lieu** on this. It seems these people aren’t just against promiscuity; they’re against women _ever_ having sex or, if they do, making sure we pay the price, especially when you throw in the fact that some of these folks are also opposed to birth control. Oh well; I suppose I should be glad that, according to the linked article, it’s not just the Christians doing this. What _do_ these people have against women?! CJ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-could-eliminate-cervical-cancer-but-then-more-people-might-screw/299837.md?page=4)