# We don't do gay wedding or mixed race because of our Christian race **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 3, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625 "2019-09-03T14:05:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/41 "2019-09-04T08:09:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Jesus loves me, this I know > For I tell the Bible so… Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my Soul to keep If I should die before I 'wake …then somebody gets an extra donut in the morning 🙂 is He Risen? …the donut, I mean. Cuz I prefer cake donuts, really. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/42 "2019-09-04T09:18:04Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Generally, it’s another part of the Bible they use, though. I can’t remember which part right now. [At a guess, I’d say the Curse of Ham, which was historically used to justify slavery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham): > [@](#): > > The curse of Ham (actually placed upon Ham’s son Canaan) occurs in the Book of Genesis, imposed by the patriarch Noah. It occurs in the context of Noah’s drunkenness and is provoked by a shameful act perpetrated by Noah’s son Ham, who “saw the nakedness of his father”.[1] The exact nature of Ham’s transgression and the reason Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned have been debated for over 2,000 years.[2] > > The story’s original purpose may have been to justify the subjection of the Canaanite people to the Israelites,[3] but in later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some Christians, Muslims and Jews as an explanation for black skin, as well as a justification for slavery. > > [snip] > > 20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: > 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. > 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. > 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness. > 24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. > 25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. > 26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. > 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. > – Genesis 9:20–27, _King James Version_ ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/43 "2019-09-04T11:10:17Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > These are people who still think that Jesus was a pasty-white Englishman. > > He was a jew in the desert with no sunscreen! [He was brown, people!!!](https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/) [Jesus vs. Jeezus](http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly050504a.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Deltree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6de8d8/32.png) [@Deltree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deltree)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/44 "2019-09-04T11:16:37Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Now I lay me down to sleep > I pray the Lord my Soul to keep > If I should die before I 'wake… I’ll say to God “Mistake! Mistake!” ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/45 "2019-09-04T13:35:46Z")
This has to be one of the funniest Pit threads I’ve ever said. And a lot of the arguments used against same sex marriages were used against inter-racial marriages. “Children need a mother and father. Children having two mothers or two fathers will be confused” vs. “Children need a single race to identify with. Children of mixed races will be confused.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/46 "2019-09-04T15:01:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I think you’re supposed to watch the video. If there was one I’d watch it. There’s no video appearing in my browser. EDIT: Ah, the thing that looks like a banner and has nothing indicating that it’s a video will play if you click it. Yahoo, you suck. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/47 "2019-09-04T15:04:35Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > This has to be one of the funniest Pit threads I’ve ever said. > > And a lot of the arguments used against same sex marriages were used against inter-racial marriages. “Children need a mother and father. Children having two mothers or two fathers will be confused” vs. “Children need a single race to identify with. Children of mixed races will be confused.” I’ve had a woman tell me, in all seriousness, that there is no such thing as mixed-race children. They’re always the same race as the mother and the race of the father does not matter. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/48 "2019-09-04T15:22:28Z")
Sounds like she’s confusing the Jewish idea that a child is Jewish only if their mother is Jewish with the idea of race. A prejudiced person is giving out stupid misinformation? What a surprise! ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/49 "2019-09-04T17:37:38Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > I’ve had a woman tell me, in all seriousness, that there is no such thing as mixed-race children. They’re always the same race as the mother and the race of the father does not matter. There’s dumb people everywhere- I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard of people refer to themself or someone else as “half- Jewish”. You might say, “Well, Jewish can be an ethnic group as well as a religion, so I can see someone saying they’re half-Jewish and half-Italian” . So can I - but these people were talking about half-Jewish and half-Catholic or Lutheran or some other Christian denomination. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/50 "2019-09-04T17:57:33Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > I’ve had a woman tell me, in all seriousness, that there is no such thing as mixed-race children. They’re always the same race as the mother and the race of the father does not matter. Well, technically she was right. Since there’s really only one race: _H. sapiens sapiens_, the naked plains ape. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/51 "2019-09-04T18:22:39Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Sounds like she’s confusing the Jewish idea that a child is Jewish only if their mother is Jewish with the idea of race. A prejudiced person is giving out stupid misinformation? What a surprise! Or she’s thinking about the historical precedent that made the child of a black slave mother automatically considered to be black and a slave even when the father was a free white man. ---
**Author:** ![TimfromNapa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@TimfromNapa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimfromNapa)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/52 "2019-09-04T18:41:19Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Great. A Bible prescriptivist who hasn’t actually bothered to read the Bible. Beautiful. I think the best way to love the Bible and believe in its absolute truth is to never read it. Reading it is too much like a visit to a slaughterhouse and a sausage works. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/53 "2019-09-04T19:26:01Z")
Bob Jones didn’t start [allowing inter-racial dating](https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national/030400bobjones-edu.html) until [less than 20](https://www.bju.edu/about/what-we-believe/race-statement.php) [years ago](https://www.deseret.com/2000/3/5/19494393/students-stunned-as-bob-jones-drops-interracial-dating-ban). ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/54 "2019-09-04T20:12:44Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > There’s dumb people everywhere- I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard of people refer to themself or someone else as “half- Jewish”. There’s dumb and there’s dumb. I often refer to myself as a half-Jew because it’s easier than updating people on my lineage, which is half Jewish and half gentile. I also refer to myself as a “Schrodinger Jew” because whether or not I’m Jewish depends on the \*observer’s \*interpretation. Certainly, from an ancestry/ethnic viewpoint I’m part Jewish, although not at all from a religious viewpoint. But from a ritual viewpoint you’re either all Jewish or none, and in my case that would be none if you ask someone Orthodox. On the other hand, I’ve had Reform Jews say “well, how do YOU feel about it?” But what makes it most stupid is the notion that there is one color/race/etc. that marks a person out as “Jewish” when in reality the old European stereotypes are, at best, only partly true for Europe and Jews from other continents look very different from that image. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/55 "2019-09-04T22:06:14Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let’s give the venue a little credit. They said they don’t support interracial marriages based on the Bible. But when somebody explained to them that the Bible doesn’t forbid this, they actually listened and changed their belief. Too many people would have just ignored the evidence and stuck with the belief. The problem is, I don’t believe her. It could be just like she said - she thought one thing, finally got around to checking the Bible, found that she was wrong, and then changed her mind and her policies. (in which case I wonder why you’d make up a “Biblical policy” without checking the Bible first… but…) But even the Southern Baptist Convention got over its wrongness around interracial marriage over 30 years ago. So the idea that maybe interracial marriage isn’t anti-Biblical isn’t a new idea and one that she’s surely been exposed to many, many, many times before. It is simply more probable to me that she’s just a bigot who got caught. And she is deeply, truly sorry that people no longer see her as “that nice lady.” Because if she ever dreamed about being on national news, those dreams did not include being castigated by pretty much everybody. The only credit they get is for handling the situation pretty well once they found out the cameras are turned their way rather than doubling down on their racism. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/56 "2019-09-04T22:31:51Z")
> [@TimfromNapa](#): > > I think the best way to love the Bible and believe in its absolute truth is to never read it. Reading it is too much like a visit to a slaughterhouse and a sausage works. And since we’re talking about The Tower of Babel and different languages, one must only read the Bible in the original Hebrew or Aramaic. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625/57 "2019-09-04T22:33:45Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > The only credit they get is for handling the situation pretty well once they found out the cameras are turned their way rather than doubling down on their racism. Now if only those gay couples will stop talking to her about weddings and start calling it taking on a _beloved disciple_. Then she could accept their business, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-do-gay-wedding-or-mixed-race-because-of-our-christian-race/839625.md?page=2)