# "We don't want four more years of Obama" **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 29, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659 "2016-06-29T01:22:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/1 "2016-06-29T01:22:27Z")
I encountered this “argument” at a party at my house by a Republican (I lean Democrat). I just casually made a jokey non-partisan remark about the election (something like, “I don’t know who to vote against”) without trying to get into a debate and this thread title was his reply. I have heard this tagline from a lot of Republicans. So what horrible things have happened during Obama’s administration? OK, so the Republicans don’t like Obamacare. But other than the “He’s a Democrat” argument, what are the gawdawful things that Republicans would hate to be repeated in a Clinton administration? I am fine with moving this to GD if it goes that direction. ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/2 "2016-06-29T01:28:48Z")
I predict this thread will end up with everybody talking past each other. Republicans will list reasons they don’t want another Democrat in the White House. Democrats will alternately scoff, hand wave, and make accusations of racism, stupidity, cold heartedness, etc. Prove me wrong Dopers. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/3 "2016-06-29T01:32:26Z")
Even G.H.W. Bush wasn’t four more years of Reagan. Nixon (1960) wouldn’t have been four more years of Eisenhower (based on his actual presidential record). The argument is invalid, but the best response to it is “why not?”. Unless, of course, they’re talking about “Fantasy Obama” rather than “Actual Obama”. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/4 "2016-06-29T01:38:22Z")
Well, according to one local expert: > [@Professional opponents of raising the minimum wage](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/professional-opponents-of-raising-the-minimum-wage/757949/219): > > **The price of health care has gone up 400% even adjusted for inflation, while wages have been stagnant.** [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19426371&postcount=219](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19426371&postcount=219) Do you really want healthcare to go up to 800% and continued stagnant wages that will only continue to cripple the middle class? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/5 "2016-06-29T01:41:04Z")
I can think of worse things than four more years of Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/6 "2016-06-29T01:46:15Z")
The national debt increased by $8 trillion under Obama, if I’m not mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/7 "2016-06-29T01:50:20Z")
To be fair 12 straight years of dogged, moronic, knee-jerk obstructionism on the part of the opposition seems a bit much. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/8 "2016-06-29T01:50:28Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The national debt increased by $8 trillion under Obama, if I’m not mistaken. Fixing Bush’s fuck-ups. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/9 "2016-06-29T01:50:29Z")
Short IMHO style response. 1. I hate Obamacare and I’m a Democrat; and I know a fair number of other Democrats who don’t care for it. Some because it didn’t go far enough and some because it went too far; defining all that is more a debate. 2. Republicans don’t give our party enough credit for being as broad as it is. The Obama administration wasn’t very much like Bill Clinton’s and I expect Hillary is going to be a fair bit different from either of them. But that’s not what the average Republican wants to consider. Its enough for them to know its a Democrat to assume its going to be something they find objectionable. But to be fair, we’re not all that different in that respect. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/10 "2016-06-29T02:05:48Z")
Republicans dislike Obama’s niggardly attitude. SCOTUS aside, Congressional Republicans are now not bothering to show up for hearings on ANY of Obama’s judicial nominees. They are even blocking nominees they themselves selected. Journalists are saying “Oh, they’re waiting for Trump to become President.” Given that only the insane are expecting Trump to be elected in November, I have to wonder if they think Hillary will give them more acceptable choices, or that the main drive is to KEEP OBAMA FROM HAVING SUCCESS OF ANY KIND. I hope Hillz digs up the moldy corpses of Marx, Lenin, Kropotkin, Goldman, and Sacco & Vanzetti and nominees them for the judiciary. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/11 "2016-06-29T02:14:47Z")
Just speaking for myself, Obama’s presidency has been a complete wash. I’ve made the best salary of my entire career over the past eight years, but that was almost entirely to do with fortuitous circumstance and little or nothing to do with who was President, except that he obviously didn’t massively screw up the entire economy. In pretty much every other way, my life is no different than it was before his Presidency (well, I’m older and fatter: thanks Obama!) The anecdote about health care having gone up 400% was for a time period of **50 years** , not just during the Obama Presidency, BTW. In any event, so “we don’t want four more years of Obama”? Shit, I don’t want even six months of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/12 "2016-06-29T02:35:02Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Republicans dislike Obama’s niggardly attitude. This was beneath you. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/13 "2016-06-29T02:46:17Z")
If I had meant it as straight out humor, yes. As a sideways poke to Republicans who hate Obama and refuse to admit why, I think it has merit. I give myself a B-minus. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/14 "2016-06-29T02:47:57Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > If I had meant it as straight out humor, yes. As a sideways poke to Republicans who hate Obama and refuse to admit why, I think it has merit. I give myself a B-minus. I concur on your grade. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/15 "2016-06-29T03:00:24Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Well, according to one local expert: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19426371&postcount=219](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19426371&postcount=219) > Do you really want healthcare to go up to 800% and continued stagnant wages that will only continue to cripple the middle class? I don’t know, but if the all the Republicans are as bad at math as you are, I really don’t want them running the country. The 400% number was from 1958 to 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/16 "2016-06-29T03:24:52Z")
He nominated a Wise Latina (and another Wise Jewish woman with the richness of her experience) to the Supreme Court. The Fed has failed to raise interest rates. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/17 "2016-06-29T03:34:49Z")
If future historians are honest, Obama will be recorded as one of the worst presidents ever. But not for any of the reasons that are being delineated by present-day Republicans, and certainly not for the imaginary claims being fostered in forwarded emails campaigns nor for any programs that are being labeled “Obama(blank)”. But i doubt that there will be enough honest historians in the future to make a comprehensive empirical analysis of his asministration. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/18 "2016-06-29T03:37:13Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > If future historians are honest, Obama will be recorded as one of the worst presidents ever. But not for any of the reasons that are being delineated by present-day Republicans, and certainly not for the imaginary claims being fostered in forwarded emails campaigns nor for any programs that are being labeled “Obama(blank)” Do tell. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/19 "2016-06-29T03:37:30Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > If future historians are honest, Obama will be recorded as one of the worst presidents ever. But not for any of the reasons that are being delineated by present-day Republicans, and certainly not for the imaginary claims being fostered in forwarded emails campaigns nor for any programs that are being labeled “Obama(blank)” You misspelled “best.” ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/20 "2016-06-29T03:39:31Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > If I had meant it as straight out humor, yes. As a sideways poke to Republicans who hate Obama and refuse to admit why, I think it has merit. I give myself a B-minus. And here we have the first accusation of racism. Things are moving along nicely. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659.md?page=2)