# "We don't want four more years of Obama" **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 29, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659 "2016-06-29T01:22:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/41 "2016-06-29T17:43:21Z")
Thats why I can’t vote for Hillary. 4 more years of Obama’s policies is just too much. She’ll stack the Supreme court liberal for the next 40 years. There won’t be any balance at all. We could end up with only one or two conservative voices on the court. She’s on record for taking our guns just like Obama. 4 more years of Common Core education and other government meddling in our lives. given the other choice. I probably won’t vote. This election’s choices absolutely sucks this time. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/42 "2016-06-29T17:47:54Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > If I had meant it as straight out humor, yes. As a sideways poke to Republicans who hate Obama and refuse to admit why, I think it has merit. I give myself a B-minus. > [@samclem](#): > > I concur on your grade. Bah! Solid B. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/43 "2016-06-29T17:50:51Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > If I had meant it as straight out humor, yes. As a sideways poke to Republicans who hate Obama and refuse to admit why, I think it has merit. I give myself a B-minus. > [@Waymore](#): > > And here we have the first accusation of racism. Things are moving along nicely. Is it your contention that there are [del]zero[/del] insignificant numbers of Republicans to whom **Ukulele Ike** ’s carve out does not validly apply? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/44 "2016-06-29T18:14:39Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > The epitome of Obama vs his critics to me was when Hurricane Sandy was approaching the East Coast and several Republicans complained that Obama was spending too much time helping with the preperation for the disaster. > > I reacll some of these same critics then blocked emergency aid money for states hit by Sandy. They were reps from states that grabbed billions from Katrina, of course. > > I will take 4 more years of Obama before anything these assholes have to offer. IIRC, they were blocking aid because people were deliberately attaching pork-barrel spending to the relief aid. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/45 "2016-06-29T18:16:19Z")
Obamacare: His only real accomplishment and it made everything wrong with american healthcare worse, more regulation, more buck passing, more freebies, more bureaucracy. It is expensive, will probably permanently break the individual health insurance market and does not cover nearly as many people as it claimed it would. The debt: The fiscal stimulus passed and it was just a giveaway to the usual suspects. Unemployment soared anyway. Now there are trillions more in debt with precious little to show for it. Obama failed to appoint people to the fed in a timely manner when it would have helped the economy. The result is the weakest economic recovery in history. We are now at what is probably a permanently lower rate of economic growth. Foreign policy: He repeated all of the mistakes of Iraq in Libya and the result was Benghazi and a horrible migrant problem. His approach to Syria has been all over the road, the result has been the rise of ISIS and a horrible human rights disaster in Syria. ISIS terrorists are now attacking all over the west and there has been no coordinated response or even any semblance of a plan. His response to Russia advance in Crimea was incoherent at best. He lied to get a treaty done with Iran that gives them billions of dollars for not much in return. Crime: He inherited an almost 20 year drop in crime and some of the lowest crime rates in fifty years and now crime is going back up again. The Ferguson effect has cops feeling unsupported and young black people are dying by the hundreds but he has done nothing. Domestic policy: Despite campaigning the first time as a uniter and a healer he has governed in a hyper partisan way. The IRS targeted citizen groups based on their political opinions and he did nothing. His administration tried to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to pay for birth control and a unanimous supreme court had to put a stop to that. His education department sent a memo to universities to end due process when it comes to sexual assault on campus. Now universities are being sued for not suspending people just for accusations under Title IX and being sued for suspending people for accusations because of denial of due process. His education department is trying to micromanage discipline at the elementary and secondary levels by putting pressure on schools to make sure minorities don’t get disciplined at higher rates. This will result in more classroom disruptions and worse outcomes for all the students who get stuck in class with troublemakers. His executive order about immigration knowingly violated the constitution. He told people that he wanted to change the law but could not without congress and then when congress would not go along he did it anyway. That is enough for now. I will be glad to see the back of him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/46 "2016-06-29T18:20:30Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Foreign policy: He repeated all of the mistakes of Iraq in Libya Except for getting thousands of Americans killed for nothing, which to me was by far the largest mistake of Iraq. Maybe not for you. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/47 "2016-06-30T06:04:20Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > She’s on record for taking our guns just like Obama. . Umm, cite for exactly how many guns has Obama taken away? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/48 "2016-06-30T07:26:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Thats why I can’t vote for Hillary. 4 more years of Obama’s policies is just too much. She’ll stack the Supreme court liberal for the next 40 years. There won’t be any balance at all. We could end up with only one or two conservative voices on the court. She’s on record for taking our guns just like Obama. 4 more years of Common Core education and other government meddling in our lives. > > given the other choice. I probably won’t vote. This election’s choices absolutely sucks this time. Hillary keeping fossils off the Supreme Court sounds a fine idea to me. I don’t see that suggesting certain types of armament might not be _quite_ so easily available is the same as “taking away” guns. As a Texan, I know serious gun owners who are glad to vote Democratic. But they collect fine shotguns or hunt or keep guns for their country life–they don’t have wet dreams of overthrowing the government. And you\* do\* know that Common Core is not a Federal program? Generally, I urge everybody to vote. I agree that you ought to stay home! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/49 "2016-06-30T12:06:29Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > 4 more years of Common Core education and other government meddling in our lives… I really don’t think the federal government could make you learn anything. You’re safe! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/50 "2016-06-30T12:23:42Z")
“We don’t want four more years of Obama…” Compared to what? I certainly would choose him over either of the presumptive 2016 nominees. But I’d take Rubio over him. Does not appear that I will have that option. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/51 "2016-06-30T15:06:32Z")
I just [posted this link in another thread](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/28/politics/gallery/dissing-obama/index.html), so I’ll post it here also. It depicts, in pictures, ten of the most contemptible aspects of the President with a funny name. ---
**Author:** ![Me\_Billy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Me\_Billy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Me_Billy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/52 "2016-06-30T15:11:35Z")
So far as Presidents go, I think Obama is doing a pretty good job! Remember Vietnam, Watergate, Monica and that dress, Bush Jr., etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/53 "2016-06-30T15:17:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But I’d take Rubio over him. Just curious, why him? He seemed to me to be the biggest loser of the cycle. If he had just stayed out and padded his experience a bit he could have avoided the Trumpastrophe and been one of the 2020 favorites. Now he’ll always be the thirsty little guy whose needle got stuck in the groove at a debate. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/54 "2016-06-30T15:18:48Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > The debt: The fiscal stimulus passed and it was just a giveaway to the usual suspects. Unemployment soared anyway. Soared you say? > [@](#): > > The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median. [cite](http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/55 "2016-06-30T15:50:52Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Soared you say? > > [cite](http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/) Seventy-three months of uninterrupted job growth! _ **That’s a record.** _ (But I have a hunch that fact isn’t over-emphasized on FauxNews.) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/56 "2016-06-30T18:07:23Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Seventy-three months of uninterrupted job growth! _ **That’s a record.** _ > ) But see, it would have been much faster had we given the rich all kinds of tax cuts n stuff. Because that is how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/57 "2016-06-30T18:12:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I just [posted this link in another thread](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/28/politics/gallery/dissing-obama/index.html), so I’ll post it here also. It depicts, in pictures, ten of the most contemptible aspects of the President with a funny name. You know, I had clean forgotten about the Bibi thing. I’m still in awe at the sheer fuckyouness of it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/58 "2016-06-30T18:31:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > IIRC, they were blocking aid because people were deliberately attaching pork-barrel spending to the relief aid. Maybe you should ask them because they don’t even remember doing it, and it was a bullshit excuse in any case: > **[Republicans Who Voted Against Sandy Aid Now Demand Help for South Carolina...](https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2015/10/6/republicans-who-voted-against-sandy-aid-now-demand-help-for-south-carolina-flooding-victims)** > > Some Republicans who voted against federal aid for Hurricane Sandy victims are now demanding federal help for victims of this week's flooding in South Carolina, and that's triggered cries of hypocrisy. > [@](#): > > But now that Graham’s home state is being devastated by deadly floods, the senator and the other South Carolina Republicans in Congress are changing their tune on federal disaster assistance. > > “Rather than putting a price tag on it, let’s just get through this thing and whatever it costs, it costs,” Graham said Monday on CNN’s “The Situation Room.” > > When pressed, Graham initially told CNN he couldn’t recall voting “no” on the Sandy bill. > > “I don’t really remember that,” he said. > > His office later told us that Graham opposed it because it included spending that was “unrelated” to Sandy. **But supporters of the Sandy relief measures say the package that finally cleared Congress had been stripped of most extraneous spending.** > > **“99.9 percent of what was in the Sandy bill that passed the House was related just to areas affected by Sandy,”** said Rep. Peter King, whose district covers parts of Long Island. "At the time, a number of us said, ‘Your day is going to come.’ And in the past, we always voted for aid to the south when they had hurricanes. They really stiff-armed us, and what Lindsey did was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/59 "2016-06-30T19:09:45Z")
Okay and now looking back on eight years of Obama, here are five things I feel he really did fail at: 1. _Guantanamo Bay:_ He promised he would close it. But there are still prisoners there. 2. _Drone strikes:_ A form of warfare that seems to have become an ongoing program. 3. _Health care:_ The ACA is progress of a sort but it’s really only a half-step forward. Which means we’re going to have to fight out this issue all over again in the future. 4. _The national debt:_ There should have been serious attempts to turn this around. 5. _Republican obstructionism:_ You can blame this for several of the above. Obama obviously didn’t initiate this. But Obama deserves some blame for allowing it to continue as long it has. At some point, Obama should have abandoned any hope of working with the Republicans in Congress and gone to war with them. The Republican logjam isn’t just hurting Obama’s political agenda; it’s hurting the country. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659/60 "2016-06-30T19:16:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Okay and now looking back on eight years of Obama, here are five things I feel he really did fail at: > > 1. _Guantanamo Bay:_ He promised he would close it. But there are still prisoners there. I think this is going to be an ongoing issue beyond this or the next President. > [@](#): > > 1. _Drone strikes:_ A form of warfare that seems to have become an ongoing program. As opposed to sending troops everywhere? > [@](#): > > 1. _Health care:_ The ACA is progress of a sort but it’s really only a half-step forward. Which means we’re going to have to fight out this issue all over again in the future. Sure, HIS failure. 50+ attempts to overturn it, absolute opposition to anything better. I think you’re mischaracterizing just who failed here. > [@](#): > > 1. _The national debt:_ There should have been serious attempts to turn this around. No memory of Obama offering more spending cuts in exchange for tax increases that would seriously cut the deficit? Again, mischaracterizing who is responsible for the failure here. > [@](#): > > 1. _Republican obstructionism:_ You can blame this for several of the above. Obama obviously didn’t initiate this. But Obama deserves some blame for allowing it to continue as long it has. At some point, Obama should have abandoned any hope of working with the Republicans in Congress and gone to war with them. The Republican logjam isn’t just hurting Obama’s political agenda; it’s hurting the country. Yes, because he would have made more progress with such a tactic. :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-dont-want-four-more-years-of-obama/758659.md?page=4)