# We get it magellan01, you're the bigottiest bigot who ever bigotted. Now shut up about your POV. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967 "2013-04-17T19:27:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/181 "2013-04-21T14:08:11Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > I say this not knowing what magellin01’s actual idea is… Just to save Stink Fish Pot some time: magellan01’s position is “Marriage is a special word, but if the inferior gays are allowed to use it, it will lose its magic powers so terrible things (that I have yet to specify despite 10 years to come with an example) might happen.” [Note: Slight paraphrase, not an direct quote] ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/182 "2013-04-21T14:39:22Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > I have to say, after reading the 4 pages of left wing outrage at magellen01, I’d say that I’d be more embarrassed being part of the pile on. > > magellen01 may be holding an unpopular opinion on this board, but it’s not exactly unpopular in this country. And it’s irrelevant what other countries do. The US has its own set of rules, laws, culture and moral compass. “Because Canada has SSM” is hardly a convincing argument. If one is now trying to root their opinions/arguments on narrow provincialism then one shouldn’t have also tried to preach those exact ideas also under a ecumenical banner > [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, that’s an easy one. So easy even you should know it. Because marriage in the West has always been comprised of man and woman. Never has it been comprised of two men or two women. Even societies that were very embracing of homosexuality saw the absurdity of giving SS couples the same marriage status that they gave OS couples. IOW that door has been opened and that bed has been made _insert quirky joke about Peter and Paul getting laid_ ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/183 "2013-04-21T14:39:26Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > I find the left leaning people on this board to be close-minded, and can afford to be as most agree with each other and reconfirm their superiority. It would never occur to you that you might actually be “wrong” on occassion, does it? You’re viewing this thread as an exemplar of people arguing against Magellan, which it isn’t. This thread is people ranting about Magellan. Very different. Arguably pointless and irrelevant, but not something which shows off how the SDMB left actually engages in debate. Also, liberals on the SDMB plenty often disagree about all sorts of things (gun control, nuclear power, Israel). ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/184 "2013-04-21T14:44:09Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And you’re a fucking teacher? Unbelievable. I’m beginning to think you know nothing of logic. The logical fallacy you allude to is a fallacy because it seeks to prove the rightness of a position through and appeal to the masses. **Stink Fish Pot** did no such thing. Indeed: he tried to show that, because your position is “not exactly unpopular,” we should respect it. Totally different in Bizarro world. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/185 "2013-04-21T15:21:13Z")
I can so picture this guy having a placard made up to take with him on all occasions. Once SSM happens, he can use it to point at any gay couple he believes are now legal. It will say, “That’s not a marriage, _this_ is a marriage!” Crocodile Dundee style and then he’ll pull his wife close for a smooch. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/186 "2013-04-21T16:13:34Z")
He is married? Does Hallmark make sympathy cards that reflect such a situation? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/187 "2013-04-21T17:41:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You made his point perfectly. Comparing me to a racist. I want gay couples to enjoy all the legal rights and benefits as straight couples, while preserving the word “marriage” for traditional marriage and I’m deranged. The reason you don’t see the stupidity of that position is that you are a leftists enjoying have buzz of so many other leftists. So, thanks for giving such weight to **Stink Fish Pot’s** point. Beautiful work. for which I am in your debt. Indeed, I don’t know where the racist comparison could come from. Certainly racists never advocated any kind of separate but equal philosophy like you are here. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/188 "2013-04-21T18:08:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > A couple of things need to be corrected here. Well, one point added and one corrected. On a closely related issue, did I or did I not change my mind when you presented me with certain facts? Why yes, yes, I did. The specific objection I had to barring gays in the military was rendered moot by information you provided and I abandoned my position and became and advocate of gays in the military. Really? I don’t remember that at all. But when I said I didn’t expect you to change your mind, I meant on the specific issue of gay marriage, not just in general. > [@](#): > > Second, and more important, you do NOT engage me and debate my position; you engage me, yes, but argue against a position I do NOT hold. I can only guess you do this because you can level valid objections against the position held by your secret mystery poster, but not against the actual position I actually hold. The problem is you don’t seem to understand your own proposal. You say that it does “A”, then describe a process that does “B”. I argue against “B” because what your proposal actually does in more important than what you think it does. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/189 "2013-04-21T18:33:23Z")
> [@Molesworth\_2](#): > > Wait, what? > > If you honestly think that “liberals view homosexuality as a fetish” you really need to get out more. > > I just want everyone to have the same rights to declare their love and have the right to marry that I enjoy as a hetero male. I appreciate this, in that I believe you are sincere and I expect that you will vote the right way and counter people who make explicitly homophobic remarks, and I’m not so short-sighted as to reject support over a difference in its origins. However, there are areas where the different reasons that gay people or those coming from a more philosophical position support gay marriage and the reasons liberals do cause tension. Chiefly is in how to deal with those who oppose it–since ultimately, the liberal attitude is “anything to do with sex is awesome and we can’t judge people” they get very uncomfortable with me telling homophobes to kill themselves or demanding people don’t eat at Chick-Fil-A. They want to “tolerate” everybody and they don’t see why I should be going to such extremes over protecting my own fetish–they wouldn’t boycott a restaurant whose CEO once gave the corporation’s money to promote anti-bondage speakers at high schools, would they? > [@](#): > > And with all due respect, anyone who uses the made-up word “Europhile” as a pejorative is a xenophobic American tool. Wow, you must REALLY like the idea of dollar coins… ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/190 "2013-04-21T18:35:50Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Indeed, I don’t know where the racist comparison could come from. Certainly racists never advocated any kind of separate but equal philosophy like you are here. It comes from people like you who are too stupid to see the differences. People desperate to label me with ad hominems, thinking, incorrectly, of course, that it somehow bolsters their position. You know, weak, dumb people. Look in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/191 "2013-04-21T18:40:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Really? I don’t remember that at all. But when I said I didn’t expect you to change your mind, I meant on the specific issue of gay marriage, not just in general. Yeah, I guess that my changing my mind on gays in the military says about as much about my immovability on other gay issues, like SSM, as would my changing my opinion on the DH rule. > [@Miller](#): > > The problem is you don’t seem to understand your own proposal. You say that it does “A”, then describe a process that does “B”. I argue against “B” because what your proposal actually does in more important than what you think it does. Oh, I understand it perfectly. You, possibly don’t understand it. But I’m beginning to think you do, but have decided that, “No that might actually make sense. But I don’t want that position to gain one inch, lest it gain more.” ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/192 "2013-04-21T18:43:12Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > People desperate to label . . . with ad hominems, thinking, incorrectly, of course, that it somehow bolsters their position. You know, weak, dumb people. Snerk. > [@](#): > > Look in the mirror. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/193 "2013-04-21T18:47:21Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It comes from people like you who are too stupid to see the differences. People desperate to label me with ad hominems, thinking, incorrectly, of course, that it somehow bolsters their position. You know, weak, dumb people. Look in the mirror. Watch out, **woodstockbirdybird**! **magellan01** is standing right in front of you! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/194 "2013-04-21T18:51:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Yeah, I guess that my changing my mind on gays in the military says about as much about my immovability on other gay issues, like SSM, as would my changing my opinion on the DH rule. I’m not sure why you seem to be taking that as an insult. It wasn’t intended as one. I’m granting you the courage of your convictions. It’s a compliment. You and I have been arguing about SSM for years, now. You’ve seen all my arguments, I’ve seen all your arguments. It’s pretty clear neither of us is going to budge on this subject. > [@](#): > > Oh, I understand it perfectly. You, possibly don’t understand it. But I’m beginning to think you do, but have decided that, “No that might actually make sense. But I don’t want that position to gain one inch, lest it gain more.” That presumes I feel there’s a genuine danger of people being convinced by your arguments. That’s… not really a huge concern for me. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/195 "2013-04-21T18:56:49Z")
I propose that we create a new name for a subset of marriage just for **magellen01** , but it will of course come with all of the same legal rights as “traditional” marriage. We can call it a “closeted-(weak, before he gets in a huff about the definition, again)-homophobe-and-some-arbitrary-female union”, which I think is kind of catchy. Hell, we might even expand it to other such couples (I’m looking at you **polecat** , if you ever stop being so **lonesome** ), if they insist. Next thing you know, you damned liberals are going to insist that not every hispanic-looking person in the U.S. is here illegally. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/196 "2013-04-21T20:29:39Z")
What is to stop schizophrenics from marrying one or more of the voices in their heads? Answer me that! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/197 "2013-04-21T20:41:11Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > “Because Canada has SSM” is hardly a convincing argument. No one is making that argument. There are tons of arguments for SSM. Equality under the law, for one. There are exactly zero rational arguments against SSM. Magellan’s argument is that it would somehow make marriage less special. So fewer heterosexuals would marry. That’s just goofy. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/198 "2013-04-21T20:50:56Z")
Seriously, who fucking cares what magellan thinks? He’s way on the wrong side of history on this one, and he’s only going to be left further behind. I think I’ve made my Bull Connor/Orval Faubus speech about him before, no need to do it again. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/199 "2013-04-21T22:24:36Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > magellen01 may be holding an unpopular opinion on this board, but it’s not exactly unpopular in this country. And it’s irrelevant what other countries do. The US has its own set of rules, laws, culture and moral compass. “Because Canada has SSM” is hardly a convincing argument. Well, that set of rules, laws, culture and moral compass includes, as far as I know, the concept of equal treatment under the law. By its own ideals of freedom and equality (as well as the separation of church and state), the notion of making a legal distinction based on sexual orientation should be anathema to modern America and it kinda looks like it _is_, based on the opinions of younger Americans. The Canadian example just demonstrates that disaster (or indeed significant social change of any kind) will not follow the legalization of gay marriage. > [@](#): > > I haven’t read anything that would convince me magellen01’s position is so bad, so void of reason, that to consider it would be outrageous. His _opinion_ is something he’s more than entitled to without challenge, but he also claims he has sound reasoning behind his opinion, and that remains starkly undemonstrated and subject to extensive challenge. He’s always been free (indeed invited) to offer up a solid line of reasoning explaining why a legal distinction must exist between heterosexual and homosexuals, but so far… zilch. He instead submits that the definition of the word “marriage” must not be diluted, lest it become less special, such specialness being nothing that he can define (or at least nothing that he _has_ defined) in any measurable way. Why this is important to him, or should be important to _anyone_, remains unclear at best. > [@](#): > > Expecting magellin01 to flip his position on your “arguments” is as ridiculous as him expecting you to flip yours. Especially with all of the great reasoning being hammered home in this thread. Oh, I doubt anyone has that expectation. magellan’s anti-SSM stance will end when magellan does, i.e. upon his death, and that’s probably typical of anti-SSM sentiment in the U.S. generally - it’ll cease to be significant when those who currently believe it die off and are not replaced by those of similar views, to be eventually relegated to a determined fringe element, some mid-21st century equivalent of the Klan. Rather, magellan’s statements are worth analyzing and challenging for the fun of it, to demonstrate just how empty and indeed self-contradictory they are. Possibly some undecided person will see this and be favourably influence, but even if not… well, I can only speak for myself. I like shredding his premises for the heck of it, and because my respect for arithmetic rebels when I’m told that 1+1=1. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/200 "2013-04-21T22:28:24Z")
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