# We get it magellan01, you're the bigottiest bigot who ever bigotted. Now shut up about your POV. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967 "2013-04-17T19:27:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/281 "2013-04-22T20:14:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Technically, he’s right: you just have to make the set big enough. It’s a totally meaningless way to be right, though. I’m happy giving him this victory, if he’ll concede that it’s possible to put everyone into a single set of statutes while treating people unequally. We’re both saying the same thing, you’re just conceptualizing it as set theory, and I see it more in terms of object-oriented programming. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/282 "2013-04-22T20:15:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > We’re both saying the same thing, you’re just conceptualizing it as set theory, and I see it more in terms of object-oriented programming. [Doh–not reading carefully and editing quickly]. I guess I think his point (ONE SET OF STATUTES!!!11!!) is easy to concede, in the way that I’ll concede Nigel’s amp goes up to 11. It has nothing to do with the issue, which is the important problem with it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/283 "2013-04-22T20:15:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > What else is he supposed to do? Realize that he’s advocated hurting other human beings for a decade on this board based on nothing more than raw bigotry? And feel bad or something. Yeah, I guess the tapdance is all he has left. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/284 "2013-04-22T20:16:50Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Listen, idiot, the problem is that you magically think putting everything into a single set keeps SBE from occurring. In order to disprove you, all I have to do is show a single set of laws that includes SBE provisions. That’s what I did. There’s no gear-shifting, there’s only a counterexample to your premise that SBE is avoided by virtue of having a single set of statutes. > > Is there anyone else who can’t understand the idea of a counterexample? I was just critiquing YOUR proposal (which, by the way, does not resemble mine) using _your_ criteria. The fact that _you_ tripped _yourself_ up is not a problem for me nor my proposal. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/285 "2013-04-22T20:19:12Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > That was not directed to you. God knows that any post including the phrase “Please debate better. I know you can.” is not, cannot, be directed to you. Admittedly I’m not up to such grand pronouncements as, _“One law! One law! [froth] One lawwwwwwww!!1one.”_ But I’ll try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/286 "2013-04-22T20:19:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I was just critiquing YOUR proposal (which, by the way, does not resemble mine) using _your_ criteria. Indeed, my proposal does not resemble yours in the fact that mine exists in print, whereas yours does not. > [@](#): > > The fact that _you_ tripped _yourself_ up is not a problem for me nor my proposal. Gah! You moron! I didn’t trip myself up! YOUR AMP GOES UP TO 11! IT’S ONLY ONE SET OF STATUTES! But the fact that you can phrase it as one set of statutes (ferchrissakes, all the statutes ever written in history can be put into one set of statutes) has bugger-all to do with the question of equality or justice. Edit: Sorry about that. Calm now. I got some of his stupid in my eyes, and it burns like a sonofabitch. Off to rinse them for fifteen minutes under running water. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/287 "2013-04-22T20:20:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Realize that he’s advocated hurting other human beings for a decade on this board based on nothing more than raw bigotry? And feel bad or something. > > Yeah, I guess the tapdance is all he has left. Wanting to extend a host—as some have counted, hundreds or thousands—of legal benefits and privileges—to every committed gay couple in the U.S. = advocating hurting other human beings? And you think I should take anything you say seriously? HA! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/288 "2013-04-22T20:22:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Indeed, my proposal does not resemble yours in the fact that mine exists in print, whereas yours does not. > > Gah! You moron! I didn’t trip myself up! YOUR AMP GOES UP TO 11! IT’S ONLY ONE SET OF STATUTES! > > But the fact that you can phrase it as one set of statutes (ferchrissakes, all the statutes ever written in history can be put into one set of statutes) has bugger-all to do with the question of equality or justice. > > Edit: Sorry about that. Calm now. I got some of his stupid in my eyes, and it burns like a sonofabitch. Off to rinse them for fifteen minutes under running water. I hear fiftenn minutes with the entire head under water works better. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/289 "2013-04-22T20:22:47Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Indeed, my proposal does not resemble yours in the fact that mine exists in print, whereas yours does not. > > Gah! You moron! I didn’t trip myself up! YOUR AMP GOES UP TO 11! IT’S ONLY ONE SET OF STATUTES! > > But the fact that you can phrase it as one set of statutes (ferchrissakes, all the statutes ever written in history can be put into one set of statutes) has bugger-all to do with the question of equality or justice. **“But, one set of statutes!”** [RIGHT]— Magellan[/RIGHT] ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/290 "2013-04-22T20:24:51Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I hear fiftenn minutes with the entire head under water works better. 😃 I think we heard the same advice, i.e., soak the part of your body that’s come in contact with the stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/291 "2013-04-22T20:25:13Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [Doh–not reading carefully and editing quickly]. I guess I think his point (ONE SET OF STATUTES!!!11!!) is easy to concede, in the way that I’ll concede Nigel’s amp goes up to 11. It has nothing to do with the issue, which is the important problem with it. Yeah, in the GD thread, I gave up trying to show him the logical error he’s been making, and step him through the practical problems with it. He responded by telling me I was absolutely correct, then spent a paragraph explaining why I was completely wrong. Not really sure where to go with that. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/292 "2013-04-22T20:25:54Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Wanting to extend a host—as some have counted, hundreds or thousands—of legal benefits and privileges—to every committed gay couple in the U.S. = advocating hurting other human beings? > > And you think I should take anything you say seriously? HA! Separate but equal. That’s what you’re calling for. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/293 "2013-04-22T20:27:23Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > **“But, one set of statutes!”** > [RIGHT]— Magellan[/RIGHT] Excellent. I hereby deputize you. Gotta run. Back later. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/294 "2013-04-22T20:29:05Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Separate but equal. That’s what you’re calling for. Deputy status revoked. Dolt status reconfirmed and stamped on your forehead. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/295 "2013-04-22T20:30:31Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Actually it is. As I’ve demonstrated in the other thread. > > Glad I could clear that up. No, in the other thread, you just committed the same logical error, but with more words. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/296 "2013-04-22T20:33:51Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Deputy status revoked. Dolt status reconfirmed and stamped on your forehead. You literally want gay marriage to be equal to regular marriage. You literally want it to be separate. This isn’t some stretch of logic on my part. This is exactly what you are saying. You can’t deny standing in the pool, _when you’re actually standing in the pool_. People notice stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/297 "2013-04-22T20:37:14Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Realize that he’s advocated hurting other human beings for a decade on this board based on nothing more than raw bigotry? And feel bad or something. You’ve read his posts. Where have you ever seen any indication he’s capable of something like that? He’s worked very hard to disabuse you of that notion. Right now he’s saying segregation and legal discrimination are fine as long as you don’t need too much ink to print them. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Lurker\_Above](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Lurker\_Above](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Lurker_Above)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/298 "2013-04-22T21:17:57Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But I see an avenue that allows a break from the status quo, that gives gay couples the exact same legal benefits and privileges as their straight counterparts, while preserving the traditional definition of marriage. As I’ve stated, it’s win-win in my book. But that is, of course, because I value both of those outcomes. I know others don’t share the latter, but to jump from that disagreement to BIGOT is pretty comical. Especially coming from those on the left. But since your proffered solution doesn’t actually protect the ‘traditional definition’ of marriage it’s no wonder people doubt your motives. Imagine if your proposed scheme was put into place, exactly as you want it. Do you really expect the man-on-the-street to **not** use the word ‘married’ to describe same-sex civil unions? Are new ‘civil union ceremony planners’ (equal in every way to wedding planners!) going to start new businesses? Is a gay man going to introduce his ‘civil union parter’ or his ‘husband’? No law can prevent a change in the language, so the only reasons I can see to have different legal definitions, with purportedly identical rights and responsibilities, is a desire to treat them differently or pure animus towards homosexuality. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/299 "2013-04-22T21:23:06Z")
Well, only that one word is not acceptable. Common terms would not be affected. One man might refer to his legal cohabitor as “the old balls and chain”, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/300 "2013-04-22T21:40:32Z")
At this point, we may as well concede his “one set of laws” before he uses a font so big it destroys us all. In any event, his “one set” contains language that makes a legal distinction between straight people and gay people for no useful purpose. I don’t see how any amount of dancing around can hide this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967.md?page=16)