# We get it magellan01, you're the bigottiest bigot who ever bigotted. Now shut up about your POV. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967 "2013-04-17T19:27:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/301 "2013-04-22T21:51:31Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Wanting to extend a host—as some have counted, hundreds or thousands—of legal benefits and privileges—to every committed gay couple in the U.S. = advocating hurting other human beings? Yes, you’re a Prop 8 supporter, so you advocate hurting other human beings. Not to mention that you think a visual of sending Mexicans hurtling through the air over a border wall, back into Mexico, is somehow funny. For the record, that fact that you are a righteous bigot is the least of my issues with you, as we have plenty of those around here. The fact that you are a lying, sniveling, cowardly weasel is actually why most people would rather interact with whatever they happen to have recently stepped in while at the dog park. Dude, stop being such a chickenshit. Embrace your hate. We still won’t respect you, but at least we’ll laugh at you less. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/302 "2013-04-22T21:51:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh. So, you must want to retract this then: > Correct? No. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/303 "2013-04-22T23:31:53Z")
The saddest thing for me is that he’s a scientific ignoramus as well as everything else. I pointed out a critical scientific flaw with his “one man, one woman” policy, and he did exactly what I predicted. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/304 "2013-04-22T23:43:09Z")
Well, now you got ME curious… ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/305 "2013-04-23T01:45:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, now you got ME curious… I’m “none of the above.” According to my attorney if I marry a woman OR a man, the state won’t know what to do with me. In many states intersex and transgender persons can change their birth certificate gender. I know many who have. How does this jive with “one man, one woman?” I have a right to marry someone. But who? By setting his absolutist binary standard, he ignores basic biology. Who do I get to marry, again? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/306 "2013-04-23T02:16:39Z")
Can you change it repeatedly, because that’d be real U.K. Le Guin territory. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/307 "2013-04-23T02:26:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can you change it repeatedly, because that’d be real U.K. Le Guin territory. LOL…I know of people who have changed twice. I have to say, the paperwork burden is so oppressive, however, I doubt anyone would do it that many times. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/308 "2013-04-23T02:31:04Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > LOL…I know of people who have changed twice. I have to say, the paperwork burden is so oppressive, however, I doubt anyone would do it that many times. I’m imagining someone considering yet another surgery to alter their apparent gender and saying, “I just can’t do it–TOO MANY FORMS!” ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/309 "2013-04-23T02:33:32Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m imagining someone considering yet another surgery to alter their apparent gender and saying, “I just can’t do it–TOO MANY FORMS!” But the thing is, if you are intersex, depending on the state, no surgery is needed to change your legal designation. So then you’re left with umpteen name changes and updates which I can tell you from personal experience is incredibly frustrating and time-consuming. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/310 "2013-04-23T03:02:34Z")
…but my whole point is not to focus on my favorite topic, but to focus on the basic fallacy of the whole argument that only men and women should be allowed to marry under a covenant called “marriage.” The metaphorical turd I’m dropping in magellan’s punchbowl is that this one man, one woman mandate discriminates against those who are none of the above (or both of the above), as well as people who have transitioned, in many cases changing their birth certificates. But the law can’t say “between an XX and XY individual,” because that would deny a right to marriage under magellan’s definition to a significant group of persons in society. Sadly for magellan’s argument, the Constitution has been interpreted several times to say that there is a right to marry _someone_. > **[14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American...](http://afer.org/blog/14-supreme-court-cases-marriage-is-a-fundamental-right/)** > > AFER is dedicated to achieving full marriage equality nationwide. The organization brought together Ted Olson and David Boies to challenge Prop. 8 in federal court and is now the organizational sponsor of a federal court case in Virginia. Since intersex people exist, and since transpeople can in many (most?) states change their birth certificate gender, there seems to be a huge, glaring problem with this rigid and bizarre “one man, one woman” mandate. And then once the camel’s nose is under the tent, now you have this “elegant solution” which has all sorts of exceptions in it. Instead of the _truly_ elegant solution, which is simply “any two people can get married.” ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/311 "2013-04-23T03:20:24Z")
Better amend that to “any two consenting adults can get married” before he comes in and asks you if you’re for men marrying children or something equally “intelligent”. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/312 "2013-04-23T04:14:33Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Better amend that to “any two consenting adults can get married” before he comes in and asks you if you’re for men marrying children or something equally “intelligent”. …and make certain I am specifying living human beings. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/313 "2013-04-23T05:53:10Z")
So you don’t foresee any prospect of it becoming the LGBT_N_ community? Well, good. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/314 "2013-04-23T09:53:38Z")
> [@The\_Lurker\_Above](#): > > But since your proffered solution doesn’t actually protect the ‘traditional definition’ of marriage it’s no wonder people doubt your motives. > > Imagine if your proposed scheme was put into place, exactly as you want it. Do you really expect the man-on-the-street to **not** use the word ‘married’ to describe same-sex civil unions? Are new ‘civil union ceremony planners’ (equal in every way to wedding planners!) going to start new businesses? Is a gay man going to introduce his ‘civil union parter’ or his ‘husband’? > > No law can prevent a change in the language, so the only reasons I can see to have different legal definitions, with purportedly identical rights and responsibilities, is a desire to treat them differently or pure animus towards homosexuality. it’s worse than that. Given that same-sex **marriage** already exists in many countries and is referred to as such, the definition has already changed. But of course, he meant specifically in the US. Except that SSM also exists in a few states and is referred to as such. And in a lot of the other states, people already use the term “marriage” to refer to a legal joining of two people of the same sex in the same way that they use it to refer to a legal joining of two people of different sexes. The meaning _has already changed_ in popular usage and, in many places, in legal usage as well. So really **magellan01** ’s argument is “I don’t like that this has happened so I’m going to pretend that it hasn’t yet”. See that ship headed off towards the horizon? Yep - it’s sailed. And, one might note, all the dire hypothetical consequences of referring to it as “marriage” that were envisioned have somehow failed to materialize anywhere. So to sum up: 1. The language has already changed, so bang goes that argument. 2. There have been no adverse effects on male-female marriage anywhere SSM has been legalized, so bang goes that argument. 3. The “one-man-one-woman” definition is not even the “simplest” one, so bang goes that argument too. He’s got nothing but a couple of bangs and a whimper. > [@Una\_Persson](#): > > I’m “none of the above.” According to my attorney if I marry a woman OR a man, the state won’t know what to do with me. > > In many states intersex and transgender persons can change their birth certificate gender. I know many who have. > > How does this jive with “one man, one woman?” I have a right to marry someone. But who? > > By setting his absolutist binary standard, he ignores basic biology. Who do I get to marry, again? Under his definition. since you’ve been one man and one woman you can marry yourself. Think of the tax breaks you’ll get! And if you divorce yourself later you won’t have to worry about dividing the CD collection. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/315 "2013-04-23T10:19:32Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > But the thing is, if you are intersex, depending on the state, no surgery is needed to change your legal designation. So then you’re left with umpteen name changes and updates which I can tell you from personal experience is incredibly frustrating and time-consuming. :smack: Gotcha–misunderstood. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/316 "2013-04-23T11:42:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Under his definition. since you’ve been one man and one woman you can marry yourself. Think of the tax breaks you’ll get! And if you divorce yourself later you won’t have to worry about dividing the CD collection. Half of me thinks it loves you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/317 "2013-04-23T12:30:46Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > …and make certain I am specifying living human beings. But if a trans-person can marry a woman, what’s stopping a numismatist from marrying a lemur? eta: I mean, other than the law, the universal disdain for bestiality, the lack of any incentive, and the lemur itself ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/318 "2013-04-23T12:39:53Z")
I worry about the small-minded perverts who cannot consider the idea of “marriage” without obsessing over what another couple might be doing in their bedroom. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/319 "2013-04-23T13:30:25Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Under his definition. since you’ve been one man and one woman you can marry yourself. Think of the tax breaks you’ll get! And if you divorce yourself later you won’t have to worry about dividing the CD collection. Recommended wedding song: Whitney Houston’s “The Greatest Love of All” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/320 "2013-04-23T13:39:49Z")
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