# We get it magellan01, you're the bigottiest bigot who ever bigotted. Now shut up about your POV. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967 "2013-04-17T19:27:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/141 "2013-04-20T15:57:22Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > It’s not as if SSM will usurp **your right** to be “married.” It’s not going to change the essence of “marriage.” Why do you want to be so _stingy_ about access to that word? Bigots are like anyone else in that they like to define categories and identify with some of these categories. What they need is precisely what you indicated here. He also needs to define a group or groups that cannot have access to this category. That’s how he is different and a bigot. As another example, he does not believe Muslims can be a part of Western Culture and supports the effective ban of any outward sign of their beliefs in what he has esoterically defined as Western Culture. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/142 "2013-04-20T15:59:24Z")
Oh, **Zoe**? “Intolerable of change”? I rather like you, so I shan’t be turning you over to the Professional Organization of English Majors. But I can’t speak for the cadre of snotty pedants that haunt the Boards. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/143 "2013-04-20T16:45:05Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I don’t know. Now will you tell me? And then tell me why it matters? What bearing the question has on the discussion? Please answer questions 11-13 based on the passage below. > [@Passage](#): > > Levi and Rob loved each other. They had lived together in Iowa for ten years, and four years ago, they adopted their son, Sean. > > On April 4, 2009, Levi woke Bob up. “They did it!” Levi shouted. “We can marry each other!” > > They made their plans, and on April 27, 2009, Levi and Bob, dressed in their best suits and with Sean at their sides, went to their county courthouse. > > “Can I help you?” asked the clerk behind the counter. > > “We’d like to get married,” Bob said. > > The woman broke out in a big smile. “Congratulations! You’re our first. Let me pull up the form….” For the next few minutes, she asked them a series of questions: names, social security numbers, dates of birth, addresses, and so on. She asked for a $35 fee, which Bob paid. “Okay,” she said. “You can come back in three days to get your license. Be sure to bring an adult over the age of eighteen with you to witness. And again, my congratulations!” > > In three days, Bob and Levi returned to the county courthouse with their friend Sarah. The clerk gave them a document that said, “Marriage License” across the top and had their names on it. 1. What is the BEST description of Bob and Levi’s relationship at the end of the story? a. They are brothers. b. They are married. c. They are co-workers. d. They are godless heathens destroying the institution of marriage. 2. What is the BEST description of the document Bob and Levi receive in paragraph seven? a. Civil Union certificate b. Marriage License c. Driver’s License d. Deed of Sale 3. In paragraph two, what is the meaning of the word “marry”? a. As a man and a woman, join in the eyes of God. b. As two unmarried adults, agree to a mutually binding, state-licensed relationship. c. As two foods, taste great together. d. As a man and a man, pretend to get married like men and women normally do but what is this country coming to? If you finish the test early, look back over your answers, and then put your head on your desk. You may not speak until your teacher tells you the test is complete. You may begin. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/144 "2013-04-20T17:15:21Z")
I thought everyone learned that words changed meaning when they were little kids. I understood it when I got that bad could sometimes mean good. If a grade schooler can grasp that, how can an adult not grok that the definition has already evolved and will keep doing so? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/145 "2013-04-20T18:20:48Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > It’s not as if SSM will usurp **your right** to be “married.” I never said it would. > [@Zoe](#): > > It’s not going to change the essence of “marriage.” It will change, i.e. dilute, the term’s meaning. You may think that expanding the definition is good, or neutral, but expanded and dilutes it will be. > [@Zoe](#): > > Why do you want to be so _stingy_ about access to that word? I don’t see it as being “stingy”. I see it as being protective. The word, like the word “hero” I wrote about either in this thread or the one over in GD, is special. It represents a foundational cornerstone of civilization. > [@Zoe](#): > > Why can’t you just be joyful for couples in love instead of quaking at the thought that the same term might apply to their relationship as yours? Why can’t I be both joyful for couples in love and want to protect a term that describes something so important? > [@Zoe](#): > > If being “married” is that important to opposite sex couples, why can’t you understand that it’s important to same sex couples? I do. > [@Zoe](#): > > Are you afraid in time that some people will think you are gay because you are “married”? :rolleyes: Are you one of those imbecile teacher I’ve heard about. Are you posting from one of the rubber rooms? > [@Zoe](#): > > As an English teacher, part of my job was to teach the rules of language. That didn’t mean at all that the rules shouldn’t change! They change naturally! Then you should also be of the mind that words can be important. Symbolic. Tell me, are you in favor of expanding the definition of the word “hero” to mean pretty much: anyone who wears a U.S. military, police, or firefighter’s uniform. And how is it that you can see how the word might be SO important to one group, but that the other group should not try to protect its meaning? Right of wrong, you should be able to understand this, at least. No? > [@Zoe](#): > > In light of all I’ve said, do you really wish to continue to be a pompous, miserly, unempathetic, ignorant ass? I don’t think pompous applies, but maybe you’re getting confused by some of the sanark I’m throwing back and those pitting me. Miserly, unfortunately doesn’t describe me at all. “Unempathetic”? Because I want committed gay couples to enjoy all the legal benefits and privileges their straight counterparts do? Are you using some new definition of “empathy” that the world isn’t aware of yet? And, of what, specifically, do you find me ignorant of? An answered based on a current-use definition would probably be most helpful. As opposed to one you pull out of your ass, right next to your eyebrow. Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/146 "2013-04-20T18:22:45Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Well, either he’s stupid, he’s hateful, or he’s very old. (Old people actually begin to lose their ability to accept change even when it is logical and harmless to do so, and so sometimes they cannot fairly be accused of stupidity or hatred in the same way a normal person can.) > > It’s one of the three, or a combination thereof. Why even ask? It’s ALWAYS that. > > In 1952, magellan01 would have been screaming out against desegregation. In 1916 he would have been really upset about giving women the vote. In 1853 he would have been pro-slavery. magellan01s are always the same, in part because _it’s always the same pathology._ Wow, you got a Degree in Psychiatry in your Crackerjack Box. No fair! And congratulations on being wrong on all counts, Sigmund! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/147 "2013-04-20T18:25:16Z")
And how do you feel about that? ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/148 "2013-04-20T18:51:10Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Well, either he’s stupid, he’s hateful, or he’s very old. (Old people actually begin to lose their ability to accept change even when it is logical and harmless to do so, and so sometimes they cannot fairly be accused of stupidity or hatred in the same way a normal person can.) > > It’s one of the three, or a combination thereof. Why even ask? It’s ALWAYS that. > > In 1952, magellan01 would have been screaming out against desegregation. In 1916 he would have been really upset about giving women the vote. In 1853 he would have been pro-slavery. magellan01s are always the same, in part because _it’s always the same pathology._ Wow. That’s almost like Magellan is der ewige Jude. Magellan, you should add “Please allow me to introduce myself / I’m a man of wealth and taste.” to your sig. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/149 "2013-04-20T19:44:37Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Wow. That’s almost like Magellan is der ewige Jude. Magellan, you should add “Please allow me to introduce myself / I’m a man of wealth and taste.” to your sig. So, I want to extend to gay couples all the legal benefits and privileges their straight counterparts enjoy, and that makes my mephistophelean? I’ll give your logic and opinion all consideration it deserves. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/150 "2013-04-20T20:09:09Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, I want to extend to gay couples all the legal benefits and privileges their straight counterparts enjoy, and that makes my mephistophelean? > > I’ll give your logic and opinion all consideration it deserves. If someone said that blacks and whites could intermarry and have all the rights of marriage, but it had to be called a “civil union”, would that be okay too? That you cannot understand that you are arguing the same thing, is a sign of how utterly unable to think clearly about this issue you are. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/151 "2013-04-20T20:32:28Z")
For a while it seemed as though a “civil union” compromise was the favored option, but public opinion seems to have blown right past that. It even seems as if a “correct” vernacular is settling in, married men are referred to as each other’s “husbands”, for instance. I think, but cannot prove, that the Republican Party inadvertently contributed to the rapidity of the change. Back when they were pressing for gay marriage legislation as referenduh in order to turn out their knuckle-walking base for the 2004 election, they flooded the airwaves and intertubes with shocking! shocking photos of same sex couples getting married in perfectly ordinary fashion: dressing up, the cake, the usual. That was the problem, they looked so normal, no scales or other reptilian characteristics. “Hey, that looks just like Aunt Martha! Wait a minute, that is Aunt Martha!” Unintended consequences from the team of Loki and Coyote! As soon as gay people getting married looked no more weird than Fred from Accounting, game over, man, game over! ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/152 "2013-04-20T21:10:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, I want to extend to gay couples all the legal benefits and privileges their straight counterparts enjoy, and that makes my mephistophelean? > > I’ll give your logic and opinion all consideration it deserves. It was ironic. I was merely a little amused at Rick casting you as the eternal Jew or supreme evil. > [@elucidator](#): > > For a while it seemed as though a “civil union” compromise was the favored option, but public opinion seems to have blown right past that. It even seems as if a “correct” vernacular is settling in, married men are referred to as each other’s “husbands”, for instance. > > I think, but cannot prove, that the Republican Party inadvertently contributed to the rapidity of the change. Back when they were pressing for gay marriage legislation as referenduh in order to turn out their knuckle-walking base for the 2004 election, they flooded the airwaves and intertubes with shocking! shocking photos of same sex couples getting married in perfectly ordinary fashion: dressing up, the cake, the usual. That was the problem, they looked so normal, no scales or other reptilian characteristics. “Hey, that looks just like Aunt Martha! Wait a minute, that is Aunt Martha!” Unintended consequences from the team of Loki and Coyote! > > As soon as gay people getting married looked no more weird than Fred from Accounting, game over, man, game over! More interesting than homosexual marriage is what becomes of the institution of marriage when subjected to such fervent partisan disagreement. It remains to be seen that the bold new neo-marriage can be imbued with the same deep meaning and symbolism that paleo-marriage has traditionally been. I doubt it since human nature does seem to require happiness and levity to be mixed with a good dose of solemnity, severity, and consequence for it to be taken serious, and you guys just don’t seem to be very good with that. And in any case, much of the agitation around the subject of homosexual marriage appears to not actually concern marriage as such, as much as using it as a vehicle for creating a broader acceptance of homosexuality, and when it comes down to it very few homosexuals are all that interested in getting married. We’ve had homosexual church marriage here for some time. Last I saw, having won the day, very few homosexual couples actually chose to walk the isle. Whatever, my guess is that most likely it’ll go the usual route in such situation of becoming more or less irrelevant, and since marriage does seem to address an important issue for many people, a successor institution will naturally emerge to fulfil the wishes and requirement the broader definition of marriage is not able to for a broad segment of the population. So you’ll end up with a two-class marriage system. Marriage A for everybody, but not much respected. A stricter Marriage B homosexuals need not apply. And back to square one. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/153 "2013-04-20T23:25:34Z")
Heck, if you want to know (or at least get a sense of) the future of gay marriage in the U.S., I can only suggest looking at the present of gay marriage in Canada. If it’s any indication, I know very little about it because it hasn’t been enough of a problem for me to take notice of it. As a social phenomenon, I’ll take its utter harmlessness over Stanley Cup victory riots any day. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/154 "2013-04-20T23:28:17Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > And in any case, much of the agitation around the subject of homosexual marriage appears to not actually concern marriage as such, as much as using it as a vehicle for creating a broader acceptance of homosexuality I don’t think anyone on either side is unaware of this. The point is full legal equality. Worthy human beings support it, ambulatory piles of trash oppose it. It could have been equal access to government jobs or federal oversight of cops who refuse to investigate crimes against gays that became the issue that the war was won or lost on, but it happened to be marriage. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/155 "2013-04-20T23:30:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, I want to extend to gay couples all the legal benefits and privileges their straight counterparts enjoy, and that makes my mephistophelean? > > I’ll give your logic and opinion all consideration it deserves. Except it doesn’t, fuckwit. This is shown because you have continually avoided the direct question in GD. > [@magellan01](#): > > Wow, you got a Degree in Psychiatry in your Crackerjack Box. No fair! And congratulations on being wrong on all counts, Sigmund! Sigmund was a psychiatrist? Reference fail. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/156 "2013-04-20T23:47:52Z")
If I actually believed for a second that you “want to extend to gay couples all the legal benefits and privileges their straight counterparts enjoy” instead of disingenuously claiming this for rhetorical purposes, I would say it’s actually pretty horrible that you admit you have no justification to treat gays differently, yet you insist they wear a badge of inferiority by explicitly labeling their separate-but-equal institution not-marriage. At least the admitted Christians are just insane people who think God mandates they treat gays this way. You appear to actually be _proud_ that your only motivation is spite. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/157 "2013-04-21T00:12:08Z")
Not that it matters, but I like to think of it as the default position. If anyone can offer a reasonable case why someone’s fully array of freedom needs to be curtailed, well, ok. Absent that, no. And in no wise comparable to gun control issues, your prospects with Russian Roulette being so much more optimistic than marriage. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/158 "2013-04-21T02:16:24Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In 1952, magellan01 would have been screaming out against desegregation. In 1916 he would have been really upset about giving women the vote. In 1853 he would have been pro-slavery. magellan01s are always the same, in part because _it’s always the same pathology._ Nonsense. Back in '52, he would have been out there on the front lines, demanding that justice be served by making the colored water fountains just as nice as the white ones. Then, when he failed to be named the NAACP’s “Man of the Year,” he’d be pointing out, “But the water comes from ONE source. What’s the problem?” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/159 "2013-04-21T02:58:27Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Nonsense. Back in '52, he would have been out there on the front lines, demanding that justice be served by making the colored water fountains just as nice as the white ones. Then, when he failed to be named the NAACP’s “Man of the Year,” he’d be pointing out, “But the water comes from ONE source. What’s the problem?” For starters, you’re evidently stupid and cannot understand simple concepts. Granted, there are probably others. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967/160 "2013-04-21T02:59:29Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > If I actually believed for a second that you “want to extend to gay couples all the legal benefits and privileges their straight counterparts enjoy” instead of disingenuously claiming this for rhetorical purposes, I would say it’s actually pretty horrible that you admit you have no justification to treat gays differently, yet you insist they wear a badge of inferiority by explicitly labeling their separate-but-equal institution not-marriage. At least the admitted Christians are just insane people who think God mandates they treat gays this way. You appear to actually be _proud_ that your only motivation is spite. What, how dare you treat gays differently by referring to them as “gays”. How dare you?!!! :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-get-it-magellan01-youre-the-bigottiest-bigot-who-ever-bigotted-now-shut-up-about-your-pov/655967.md?page=9)