# We had our first high school football game last night and guess what? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 3, 2000, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825 "2000-09-03T01:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/21 "2000-09-03T16:24:07Z")
aha: No, the school would not be in contempt of the court, for a variety of reasons. First is that it wasn’t their case that was heard. Second, it was a slightly different case, so a judge might rule differently (in the most recent one that’s been in all the news, the school was actively involved in getting the students to vote on who should say the prayer and what prayer should be said and the like). So, we have a different situation here. astorian said: > [@](#): > > 1. Where is it written in the Constitution that you (or I, for that matter) have a right NEVER to hear anything that makes you uncomfortable? It’s not. But who said anything about that? I know the rest of us aren’t discussing that, so you must be in the wrong place. > [@](#): > > 1. These “teeth” you talk about for the Supreme Court’s anti-prayer rulings… what “teeth” would make you happy? You want Christian teens put in prison? Oh, I know! Send out the National Guard to high school football games, with orders to shoot on sight if they spot someone saying the Lord’s Prayer! My, my, my. You need to take a valium. The “teeth” would be a way of stopping schools from ignoring court rulings. Now, as I mentioned, this case is slightly different, but I do think it’s a good question in general (and was thinking of starting a discussion on it myself) – what IF the school that was the target of the original suit decided to completely ignore the ruling? Well, they would certainly be sued again. And if they continued, at some point, I imagine the superintendent would be punished or something like that. Hopefully, we’ll never have to find out. > [@](#): > > Folks, there is absolutely no way that a school can avoid offending SOMEBODY! And, as I noted, that’s not what we’re talking about. Please try to stick to the discussion at hand. > [@](#): > > Forget God entirely- suppose I’m a communist, and I hate everything the USA stands for. Moreover, I don’t want my kids “indoctrinated” with jingoistic patriotism. Can I sue to have schools stop playing the national anthem before football games? Can I sue to stop having the Stars and Stripes flown on school campuses? Last time I checked, there was nothing forbidding an establishment of political viewpoint in the Constitution. There is, however, this pesky First Amendment thing about religion. Do you think that maybe that’s why they’re different? Hmmmm… > [@](#): > > Or… we could all grow up. Perhaps you could. The rest of us were doing just fine before you came in here without understanding the topic at hand. ---
**Author:** ![beakerxf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc79bd/32.png) [@beakerxf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beakerxf)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/22 "2000-09-03T16:40:03Z")
Actually, the cases aren’t so much that a prayer is being said publically. It’s school officails promoting religion by using equipment paid for by the public. In legal terms, that is a government entity attempting to establish a religion. Down here in Texas, they found a nifty way around the recent court rulings. They used the equipment of a local radio station to broadcast a prayer to the crowd. This event has been supported by the ACLU because it falls under freedom of speech and individuals expressing their religious views. Too some this may seem like splitting hairs, but a line between Church and State has been drawn over the last 200 years and we have to stick to it. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/23 "2000-09-03T16:48:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astorian \* > \*\* > Or… we could all grow up. \*\* Every time this issue comes up, a Christian always says “grow up” or “relax” or some such nonsense. It is very easy to throw these platitudes out when your view happens to be the majority view that is ignoring the rights of the minority. Try to imagine that your Christian child went to a school-sponsored game and there was speech over the intercom about how foolish religion was, and that we were finally entering an age of enlightenment where humanity no longer relied on the worship of fantasies and mythology and the crutch of religion was finally thrown on the fire. Don’t like it? I guess you should just grow up. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/24 "2000-09-03T16:48:35Z")
Actually, it’s not that it was just the equipment, but the _participation_ of the school officials. I don’t know enough about the situation you describe, but if the officials are still involved in using the radio station equipment, I find it hard to believe that the ACLU said it was okay. If, on the other hand, it’s some private people who are just broadcasting it themselves, that is indeed a different story. ---
**Author:** ![JosephFinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@JosephFinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JosephFinn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/25 "2000-09-03T17:23:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by David B \* > \*\*Actually, it’s not that it was just the equipment, but the _participation_ of the school officials. I don’t know enough about the situation you describe, but if the officials are still involved in using the radio station equipment, I find it hard to believe that the ACLU said it was okay. If, on the other hand, it’s some private people who are just broadcasting it themselves, that is indeed a different story. \*\* However, if it was being broadcast to a particular radio frequency, which those who wanted to listened to on their portable radio (preferably with headphones, or with the volume at the normal level of conversation), then that would not be a promotion to the crowd of a particular religion - merely an activity that a particular segment of the crowd could participate in without bothering their seatmates. Of course, I never understood why the nutcases who never get why schools promoting religion is bad always end up with this debate around football games. What, they don’t pray before baseball games? Swimming meets? Gymastic meets? Of coure, baseball is religion, but that’s another story. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/26 "2000-09-03T17:37:30Z")
As a matter of fact, I’m a Catholic. TO non-Christians, that may SEEM like the same thing as “a Christian,” but that’s NOT the way Southern fundamentalists see it. Indeed, the most recent major ruling against prayers at high school football games came about after a CATHOLIC and a MORMON family complained about the nature of the prayers. So, I’m not automatically predisposed to support school prayers, especially in the South, where I know, from experience, that school prayer is liable to have a deeply fundamentalist and not-so-subtly anti-Catholic tone. In short, you’re utterly wrong if you assume that I couldn’t possibly understand what it’s like to hear prayers that offend me! Having said that, it’s all too clear that MOST of those who complain about organized prayers are vehemently anti-religion. They’re NOT content to let CHristians pray aloud, so long as the prayers aren’t sponsored by official government bodies. That’s only too clear, from the complaints being made against “No Pray, No Play.” In Santa Fe, Texas (not to be confused with NM), Protestants outraged by the Supreme Court are taking matters into their own hands. They’re sponsoring massive prayer rallies before games, but NOT rallies officially endorsed by the school district. SInce these rallies are NOT sponsored by the school district, and are purely voluntary in nature, they’re perfectly legal. So, is the ACLU going to leave these people alone? Hardly. They’re calling such ventures “an end-run around the COnstitution” and are fighting to shut them down. The “logic” is that, even if these prayers are not endorsed by the school district or any other government body, people who are NOT Christians might be made to feel uncomfortable by these vocal prayers, and might feel subtly pressured to join in. That isn’t MY claim, David B- that’s the claim of the ACLU and of virtually every activist who seeks to shut down school prayers. I live in TExas, and know the issues and institutions involved- you clearly don’t. I don’t mind so much that you’re ignorant… and I don’t mind that you’re arrogant… I don’t even mind that you’re biased. But the combination of the three makes you a hopelessly unqualified moderator. In short, we’re being told that the COnstituion forbids Christians to do anything that might make outsiders “uncomfortable.” Now then, the First AMendment’s language with regard to speech and its language with regard to religion are INDENTICAL. Not similar, mind you, but IDENTICAL. “Congress shall make no law” regarding speech OR religion. When the phrasing is IDENTICAL, that can only mean that government bodies must be as neutral with regarded to political statements as it is to religion. In short, if it’s improper for a school to hang a cross on the wall or to have children sing Christmas carols, it’s EQUALLY improper to put a picture of George Washington on the wall, or to make children sing “The Star-spangled Banner.” MIGHT my (imaginary) children and I be “uncomfortable” if we lived in, say, a predominatly Moslem area around Detroit, and every other kid in the school got out prayer mats in class several times a day, faced MEcca, and said Arabic prayers to Allah? Sure, we might well be uncomfortable. But whose problem is that? It ‘s NOT the job of those Moslem kids to respect or reinforce my kids’ Catholic faith. Their obligation is to the tenets of Islam. If that makes me feel outnumbered, that’s MY problem, not theirs. And if I complain about it, and try to use the power of the law to shut them up, I’m not a courageous crusader- I’m a cowardly whiner. ---
**Author:** ![aha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eada6e/32.png) [@aha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aha)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/27 "2000-09-03T17:38:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Actually, it’s not that it was just the equipment, but the participation of the school officials Seems like the finaly penalty if any would lie with local school boards. Sure the superintendent could be punished as CEO of the district but the state of oklahoma has said that all school districts shall be under local control…meaning of course all decisions lie with the local school board. Now not being a lawyer I am assuming that doesn’t mean that the local school board is autonomous and does not have to follow the directives of the supreme court. In our case the minor child said the prayer on a radio station pa ( sorry I didn’t include that earlier)and school officials had no visable hand in it. So has my district found a loophole here? Seems like it. At least they think so. ---
**Author:** ![aha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eada6e/32.png) [@aha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aha)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/28 "2000-09-03T17:57:59Z")
I don’t mind so much that you’re ignorant… and I don’t mind that you’re arrogant… I don’t even mind that you’re biased. But the combination of the three makes you a hopelessly unqualified moderator. Some basic tenets Water…good Fire…bad SD discussions…good Insulting moderators…bad 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/29 "2000-09-03T18:54:03Z")
astorian said: > [@](#): > > Having said that, it’s all too clear that MOST of those who complain about organized prayers are vehemently anti-religion. Clear to _you_ perhaps, but not to rational people. Know who the head of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State is? He’s a minister. As you noted, a Catholic and a Mormon were the plaintiffs in the lawsuit in question. So where, exactly, is backing evidence for your claim here? > [@](#): > > They’re NOT content to let CHristians pray aloud, so long as the prayers aren’t sponsored by official government bodies. Says who? You? > [@](#): > > That’s only too clear, from the complaints being made against “No Pray, No Play.” What complaints have those been? Some people have called it an end-run around the ruling, which it is. It also might just be a perfectly _legal_ end run. But there is a difference between something that’s legal and something that’s moral. I don’t happen to think it’s morally correct to press your religious views on others, as these people are doing. You seem to be equating this view with being anti-religion, which is ridiculous. > [@](#): > > In Santa Fe, Texas (not to be confused with NM), Protestants outraged by the Supreme Court are taking matters into their own hands. They’re sponsoring massive prayer rallies before games, but NOT rallies officially endorsed by the school district. Good for them. So what? > [@](#): > > SInce these rallies are NOT sponsored by the school district, and are purely voluntary in nature, they’re perfectly legal. So, is the ACLU going to leave these people alone? Hardly. They’re calling such ventures “an end-run around the COnstitution” and are fighting to shut them down. I need more information, because I can’t believe that the ACLU would fight _against_ free speech like that. And, frankly, after your two rants here, I don’t believe you. You want to provide a link or two that might explain the situation better? > [@](#): > > I live in TExas, and know the issues and institutions involved- you clearly don’t. ROFL! Yeah, I don’t know nuthin’ 'cus I’m not from Texas. Great one – especially coming from the guy who doesn’t understand the difference between religion and political viewpoints or why the establishment clause of the First Amendment deals with one and not the other. ROFL! > [@](#): > > I don’t mind so much that you’re ignorant… and I don’t mind that you’re arrogant… I don’t even mind that you’re biased. But the combination of the three makes you a hopelessly unqualified moderator. Read: WAAAAAH! Big Bag Moderator Man corrected me in a non-moderatorial role, so I’m gonna whine about him. You wanna bitch and cry about me, take it to the Pit. You want to deal with the issues and all of your points that I crushed, stick around and learn something. > [@](#): > > In short, we’re being told that the COnstituion forbids Christians to do anything that might make outsiders “uncomfortable.” No, that’s most definitely not what we’re being told – except by you in this discussion. You still don’t get it, do you? > [@](#): > > When the phrasing is IDENTICAL, that can only mean that government bodies must be as neutral with regarded to political statements as it is to religion. In short, if it’s improper for a school to hang a cross on the wall or to have children sing Christmas carols, it’s EQUALLY improper to put a picture of George Washington on the wall, or to make children sing “The Star-spangled Banner.” Do you even have a clue? Putting a cross on the wall is an establishment of religion. The government is _forbidden_ from that. Putting a picture of Washington has nothing to do with anything. > [@](#): > > MIGHT my (imaginary) children and I be “uncomfortable” if we lived in, say, a predominatly Moslem area around Detroit, and every other kid in the school got out prayer mats in class several times a day, faced MEcca, and said Arabic prayers to Allah? Sure, we might well be uncomfortable. But whose problem is that? For the last time, it’s **not an issue of comfort**. It’s an issue of government forcing religion on others. Get it through your head. > [@](#): > > It ‘s NOT the job of those Moslem kids to respect or reinforce my kids’ Catholic faith. You’re right – but it _is_ the job of the government to be neutral in such things. There is quite a difference between Muslim kids doing something and Muslim adults doing something in government roles. > [@](#): > > Their obligation is to the tenets of Islam. If that makes me feel outnumbered, that’s MY problem, not theirs. And if I complain about it, and try to use the power of the law to shut them up, I’m not a courageous crusader- I’m a cowardly whiner. Wrong. Asking the courts to properly enforce the laws of the land is neither cowardly nor whining. What you have been doing here – _that_ is whining. ---
**Author:** ![beakerxf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc79bd/32.png) [@beakerxf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beakerxf)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/30 "2000-09-03T19:05:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by David B \* > \*\*Actually, it’s not that it was just the equipment, but the _participation_ of the school officials. I don’t know enough about the situation you describe, but if the officials are still involved in using the radio station equipment, I find it hard to believe that the ACLU said it was okay. If, on the other hand, it’s some private people who are just broadcasting it themselves, that is indeed a different story. \*\* Here’s a link to the news story: [Prayer Protest Drowned Out at School](http://my.aol.com/news/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=01&id=0009020510655568) A quick quote: > [@](#): > > The prayer advocates had an unusual ally in their argument that the First Amendment gives them the right to free speech, including prayer: the American Civil Liberties Union, which helped successfully argue against the district. > > ``That is exactly the kind of freedom we’re fighting for. The only place we have a concern is if the groups are going to try to get an official place in the program, or use the public address systems,’’ said Martin Mayne, president of the Houston chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. ---
**Author:** ![JosephFinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@JosephFinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JosephFinn)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/31 "2000-09-03T19:11:59Z")
In reference to the ACLU and the ministry-sponsered legal practice of relgion before and during football games, the Chicago Tribune noted on Friday that the ACLU is supporting the prayers. Why shoudln’t they? They may be rude to the people who came to a football game and expected a football game, not a prayer meeting, but they’re perfectly constitutional. Oh, bye way, to the wtit who is claiming that those who object to school-sancgtioned preaching to the crowd: I am religious. I am a member of the ACLU. I believe in prayer. I do it myself. In my private way, and with others with whome I share my faith. I don’t go around violating a mutually-agreed upon Constitution without consulting other people, like these school boards are trying to do. Oh, and one last thing from the Tribune. Apparently, the people who are annoyed in the various school districts are THE MINISTERS. They don’t appreciate these rude people coming in andbeing rude to their parishioners and otehr members of the community. They know that the Supreme Court ruling was fair, and they have every attention of sticking to it. So, for that twit again: STUFF IT. I am so incredibly tired of Constitutional violater whining “discrimination” and “persecution.” Slavery was persecution. No Irish Need Apply was discrimination. What you have is pople trying to lead their lives without your pin-headed pronouncements, and you keep getting annoyed that they and the rest of the world doesn’t appreciate or want your advice. This isn’t a theocracy, this isn’t a Christian nation: it’s a federal republic, where we have a agreed-upon Constitution. Religion is not politics and politics is not religion. I can make the distinction. Can you? ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/32 "2000-09-03T20:19:16Z")
[Moderator Hat: ON] JosephFinn said: > [@](#): > > to the wtit … for that twit again: STUFF IT. Okay, cool it. This isn’t the place for namecalling. Take it to the Pit if you want to do that. * * * David B, SDMB Great Debates Moderator [Moderator Hat: OFF] ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/33 "2000-09-03T20:22:13Z")
Beaker, I’m a little confused. The story you linked to is one that I’d heard about, where people want to pray on their own. And that’s fine. But what did that have to do with the one about borrowing the radio station’s equipment? Or was it not supposed to be linked to that one? ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/34 "2000-09-03T20:23:16Z")
I forgot to add: I wonder what astorian will whine about now that you’ve shown how the ACLU is _in favor_ of what he claimed they were fighting against… ---
**Author:** ![beakerxf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc79bd/32.png) [@beakerxf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beakerxf)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/35 "2000-09-03T20:35:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by David B \* > But what did that have to do with the one about borrowing the radio station’s equipment? Or was it not supposed to be linked to that one? Yup, I C&P the wrong link. [Football Resumes Without Prayer](http://my.aol.com/news/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=01&id=0009011020653517) is the roper link. Also, I got it mixed up and it’s a West Virgina high school rather than a Texas one. Nor was the ACLU quote in response to the radio equipment story. A muddled memory is what I get for trying to keep up with the news at work. > [@](#): > > In Spring Valley, W.Va., one high school football player and a local radio station believed they found a way around the Supreme Court ruling. From the high school’s field Friday, Dave McCallister recited a prayer over WRVC-FM/AM. > > Offering to broadcast a prayer doesn’t violate the court ruling because it gives people a choice, said Spring Valley Principal Barry Scragg. ``If they don’t want to hear the prayer, they can turn the radio off.’’ I’m curious as to how this played out. Where they broadcasting from the sidelines while other items went on? or if they were allowed to say the prayer from the center of the field before the game started. The first is free speech, the second option can be interpreted as the school officials sanctioning the prayer. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/36 "2000-09-03T20:43:09Z")
That is interesting. Thanks for clarifying (at first it sounded like the radio station was bringing in their own equipment to broadcast AT the game, rather than on the radio). Sure, if they want to broadcast it over a radio station, more power to 'em. If it’s “from the field” as in a roving reporter or something, that’s fine. You’re right, though, if it’s somebody officially going out to midfield before the start of the game and saying a prayer, that would seem to cross the line. Hopefully, it’s the former, not the latter. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/37 "2000-09-03T21:52:25Z")
A few points: **David B.** - though you didn’t expressly address this, you lumped them together. For the record, **aha** , not **astorian** dissed your moderating skills. As for the topic at hand … What is the big friggin deal here? If you want to pray, pray. If you want to organize everyone in the stands into a mass prayer-a-thon, do it. Why do you need the school to organize it for you? That is the point, and indeed the only point, about church-state separation. In case you haven’t noticed, religion is legal in the U.S. In case you also haven’t noticed, there are lots of religions in the U.S. In order to guarantee the rights of all U.S. citizens to practice whatever faith (or lack thereof) they wish, the govmint cannot support one over the other. That’s it. Why is that a bad thing? Sua ---
**Author:** ![beakerxf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc79bd/32.png) [@beakerxf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beakerxf)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2000, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/38 "2000-09-03T21:59:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astorian \* > That isn’t MY claim, David B- that’s the claim of the ACLU and of virtually every activist who seeks to shut down school prayers. I live in TExas, and know the issues and institutions involved- you clearly don’t. \*I don’t mind so much that you’re ignorant… and I don’t mind that you’re arrogant… I don’t even mind that you’re biased. But the combination of the three makes you a hopelessly unqualified moderator. \* > \*\* Actually it was **astorian** who insult David B. **aha** then quoted **astorian** but neglected to include the quote lines. Beaker, defender of aha’s good(?) name since 1974. (It’s taking longer than I expected) ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2000, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/39 "2000-09-04T17:12:17Z")
SuaSponte: As Beaker noted, it was indeed astorian who said it. I was confused at first as well, but if you go up to astorian’s message, you’ll find it there (which is why I replied to that statement as part of that very message). ---
**Author:** ![aha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eada6e/32.png) [@aha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aha)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2000, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825/40 "2000-09-04T18:36:52Z")
Sorry for the confusion guys, my fault for not including quote lines. I would like to think I could defend my positions if need be on this board without insulting moderators. > [@](#): > > Beaker, > defender of aha’s good(?) name since 1974. (It’s taking longer than I expected) Thanks Beaker 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-had-our-first-high-school-football-game-last-night-and-guess-what/31825.md?page=3)