# We have a new jerk off **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2003, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108 "2003-08-09T23:51:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/61 "2003-08-10T19:24:06Z")
Nope **monty2\_2001** , this is the straight dope for nothing: your opinions have a value next to 0 if you don’t have other support than your own word, specially in accusations like that one. Check around, and read about what the nazis did to the left, read also the answers that were in the mentioned thread, your position is maintained only by pea brains. But as I said before: If you are in this board, you have given the first step to lose that, deep down even you do know that right wing sources of information are the ones jerking you around: why are you here if not for the reason to see other points of view and to check your own? If you don’t reexamine your positions, the jerkiness of a extreme position then turns not only to affect you, but it also makes you become one. ---
**Author:** ![monty2\_2001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@monty2\_2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monty2_2001)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/62 "2003-08-10T19:26:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GIGObuster \* > \*\*Nope **monty2\_2001** , this is the straight dope for nothing: your opinions have a value next to 0 if you don’t have other support than your own word, specially in accusations like that one. > > Check around, and read about what the nazis did to the left, read also the answers that were in the mentioned thread, your position is maintained only by pea brains. But as I said before: If you are in this board, you have given the first step to lose that, deep down even you do know that right wing sources of information are the ones jerking you around: why are you here if not for the reason to see other points of view and to check your own? > > If you don’t reexamine your positions, the jerkiness of a extreme position then turns not only to affect you, but it also makes you become one. \*\* Kneejerk democrat/leftwing support. I said clearly modern leftism, which was not the same as definition during WW2. Check the post on the thread about Anne Frank, someone else made a great post that supports my position, I’ll leave you to argue with them. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/63 "2003-08-10T19:32:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Ah, yes it’s my opinion that the NSDAP was similar to the modern liberal/leftwing movement. I back up the claim by stating both are for government control and ownership of industry and other stuff that should be controled privately. I’ll have some of what he’s smoking. It’s gotta be good shit to make you think like that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/64 "2003-08-10T19:33:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > \*\*So have you been able to find an example of someone here mourning the death of the Iraqi Baath party, yet? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![monty2\_2001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@monty2\_2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monty2_2001)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/65 "2003-08-10T19:34:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by samclem \* > \*\*I’ll have some of what he’s smoking. It’s gotta be good shit to make you think like that. 😃 \*\* I’m just tired of people saying the Republicans are closer to nazis, when it’s the opposite. That’s all. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/66 "2003-08-10T19:36:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monty2\_2001 \* > \*\*Ah, yes it’s my opinion that the NSDAP was similar to the modern liberal/leftwing movement. I back up the claim by stating both are for government control and ownership of industry and other stuff that should be controled privately. > \*\* Do you have a cite for either the NSDAP or the “modern liberal/leftwing movement” advocating government ownership of industry? Or should we just trust you on this one? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/67 "2003-08-10T19:38:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monty2\_2001 \* > \*\*Kneejerk democrat/leftwing support. > \*\* Yeah, asking for facts and things is sooo Liberal that it makes me want to puke. Only leftists and liberals use those tricky fact thingies. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![monty2\_2001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@monty2\_2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monty2_2001)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/68 "2003-08-10T19:44:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > \*\*Do you have a cite for either the NSDAP or the “modern liberal/leftwing movement” advocating government ownership of industry? Or should we just trust you on this one? \*\* Trust me on it. ---
**Author:** ![monty2\_2001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@monty2\_2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monty2_2001)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/69 "2003-08-10T19:45:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > \*\*Yeah, asking for facts and things is sooo Liberal that it makes me want to puke. > Only leftists and liberals use those tricky fact thingies. > :smack: \*\* The facts are easily out there. Nazis controlled industry and everything. Collected all the guns too. I’m not saying the NSDAP and the Democrat party are identical. Just that they shared some core beliefs. That’s just FACT. Nazis and communists shared a lot too… BFD ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/70 "2003-08-10T19:48:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monty2\_2001 \* > \*\*The facts are easily out there. \*\* But you haven’t seen them for yourself and are incapable of sharing them. That’s one area where your debating skills are lacking. ---
**Author:** ![ooga\_booga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@ooga\_booga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ooga_booga)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/71 "2003-08-10T19:50:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monty2\_2001 \* > **I’m not saying the NSDAP and the Democrat party are identical. Just that they shared some core beliefs.** Then perhaps you’d care to cite the plank in the Democratic Party platform where they advocate state ownership of private industries, since that seems to be the crux of your argument. But hey, I suspect rather you’ll just post yet another asinine drive-by and duck the issue, much like you did with **Publius** ’s post earlier in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![monty2\_2001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@monty2\_2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monty2_2001)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/72 "2003-08-10T19:57:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ooga booga \* > \*\*Then perhaps you’d care to cite the plank in the Democratic Party platform where they advocate state ownership of private industries, since that seems to be the crux of your argument. > > But hey, I suspect rather you’ll just post yet another asinine drive-by and duck the issue, much like you did with **Publius** ’s post earlier in this thread. \*\* Socialized medicine. Next? ---
**Author:** ![ooga\_booga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@ooga\_booga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ooga_booga)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/73 "2003-08-10T20:03:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monty2\_2001 \* > **Socialized medicine.** Oh, for fuck’s sake. That’s the _best_ you can do? Then by your yardstick the [government of Israel](http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/med/one.html) shows just as many Nazi-like tendencies. P.S. You see that little link up there? That’s called a cite. You might try using them once in a while, so people don’t mistake you for the uninformed jackass that you are. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/74 "2003-08-10T20:21:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monty2\_2001 \* > \*\*Ah, yes it’s my opinion that the NSDAP was similar to the modern liberal/leftwing movement. I back up the claim by stating both are for government control and ownership of industry and other stuff that should be controled privately. > > Is that better? \*\* An interesting stance. I, and many another here who calls him/herself a liberal, are not for government ownership or industry (at last in general, reserving the right for each of us to make exceptions for certain “natural monopolies”). Government control, IMHO, should be limited to that necessary to ensure that the consumer is not defrauded, the employee gets a fair deal, and the operations of the industry do not harm the community in which it is located or nearby communities, and should be outcome-based rather than specific mandates. I am aware that there are socialists and a few communists left on the left, but they are not, in general, characteristic of the left as an overall body. In one thread or the other, someone did a compare/contrast of Nazi and American liberal stances on several issues; have you seen it? Do you have any comments? And I’m curious about the “other stuff that ought to be control[l]ed privately.” Do you have any examples? I realize it’s common knowledge that liberals are out to restrict what people can do in their bedrooms in private, to mandate specific religious observances on all schoolchildren, and to put up plaques using your tax dollars to celebrate their personal views – but surely you have other points you had in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/75 "2003-08-10T20:25:43Z")
BTW, what exactly is “socialized medicine”? I’d like an explicit description of what it entails, and how it differs from what you advocate as proper. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/76 "2003-08-10T21:07:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monty2\_2001 \* > I’m just tired of people saying the Republicans are closer to nazis, when it’s the opposite. That’s all. Well, you’re clearly demonstrating that Republicans are closer to “clueless idiots.” Is that preferable? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/77 "2003-08-10T21:15:07Z")
Not even by giving them a chance to show they are not jerks… oh well… as I suspected, your reply just showed everybody else here that you are an ignorant by choice. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monty2\_2001 \* > \*\*Kneejerk democrat/leftwing support. > > I said clearly modern leftism, which was not the same as definition during WW2. > > Check the post on the thread about Anne Frank, someone else made a great post that supports my position, I’ll leave you to argue with them. \*\* Na, I will let the excellent **BrightNShiny** answer on that thread, with cites, to do a proper attack on your positions, as I expected, even conservatives are piling up on you because you are spouting ideas that have been discredited even here (on this thread too!) So, you are discredited and still demand our trust? Only a scoundrel would demand that last refuge over here, at least you proved patriotism was not it. [sub]Managed to say that, without declaring a Godwin![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/78 "2003-08-10T21:24:31Z")
monty2\_2001, your posts are so assinine that you are helping the liberals by steering people away from conservativism. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/79 "2003-08-10T22:00:11Z")
I just want to know how a seventh grader got enough beer to stay stupid drunk for 72 hours. How do you do it **Monty2…**? When do you have to go back to school? Soon, we hope. Maybe next year you’ll be old enough to read a newspaper all by your self. Come back when that happens. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-a-new-jerk-off/194108/80 "2003-08-10T22:14:16Z")
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