# We Have Betrayed the Kurds **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 7, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420 "2019-10-07T14:54:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/21 "2019-10-07T17:15:51Z")
The fun will start when idiots begin threatening to eject Turkey from NATO. You then wind up with Russia spinning up weapons sales to a country choked full of American tech and further encircling Ukraine. Should be a thrill a minute. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/22 "2019-10-07T17:23:30Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > They were fools to trust us _again_. It’s fucking awesome to fight “just wars”. As long as someone else’s house is destroyed and someone else’s son dies. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/23 "2019-10-07T17:25:08Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Anyone feel better after Trump’s latest [Tweets](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1181232249821388801?s=21)? > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I went and double-checked this on Twitter, because I can’t tell the difference between parody and Trump anymore. He sounds like he’s playing the Wizard. Not for the first time, I question his fitness for office. Ditto. I can’t believe that any sane person would refer to their “great and unmatched wisdom.” :dubious: And then he goes on to threaten to “destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)”? On a daily basis, Trump seems to try to break his old record for lunacy. He sounds more and more deranged as time goes by. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/24 "2019-10-07T17:35:24Z")
Deciding to stop fighting endless wars is “deranged”.? Of course considering it’s Trump, its not brilliance it’s it’s more a case of the the child who said the Emperor has no clothes. It’s darkly hilarious. Pro War progressives and an far right peace party. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/25 "2019-10-07T17:51:15Z")
What? Trump screws someone once he’s gotten what he wanted? Do tell. Has Turkey started an investigation or something? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/26 "2019-10-07T17:58:53Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Deciding to stop fighting endless wars is “deranged”.? > Of course considering it’s Trump, its not brilliance it’s it’s more a case of the the child who said the Emperor has no clothes. > > It’s darkly hilarious. Pro War progressives and an far right peace party. “I thank God I wore my corset, because I think my sides have split.” _– E. Blackadder_ ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/27 "2019-10-07T18:00:05Z")
[Sens. Romney and Murphy](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1181266717797949442): > [@](#): > > “Barring a reversal of this decision, the Admin must come before the Senate Foreign Relations Cmte. and explain to the American people how betraying an ally and ceding influence to terrorists and adversaries is not disastrous for our national security.” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/28 "2019-10-07T18:10:49Z")
Pelosi and McConnell [can agree on one thing](https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1181268629347852288): > [@](#): > > Minutes apart, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader McConnell call on Trump to reverse on Syria > > Pelosi: “Decision… sends a dangerous message to Iran and Russia” > > McConnell: “A precipitous withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria would only benefit Russia, Iran, and the Assad regime" ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/29 "2019-10-07T18:19:52Z")
(Current) [Secretary of Defense Mark Esper](https://twitter.com/EsperDoD/status/1181268930511421440): ‏ > [@](#): > > DOD does not endorse a Turkish operation in Northern Syria. We will work w/our @NATO allies & Coalition partners to reiterate to Turkey the possible destabilizing consequences of potential actions to Turkey, the region, & beyond. Full statement here: ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/30 "2019-10-07T18:34:29Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Is there no beginning to his “great and unmatched wisdom”? The story is more fun if you start from when Dorothy’s house lands on The Wicked Witch of The East… and not when she, The Tin Man, The Scare Crow, and The Cowardly Lion go to visit Trump. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/31 "2019-10-07T18:41:21Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Deciding to stop fighting endless wars is “deranged”.? No…a president of the United States referring to his own supposed “great and unmatched wisdom” and threatening to “destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)” is deranged. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/32 "2019-10-07T18:52:13Z")
Trump whisperer Lindsey Graham appears to be trying to change Trump’s mind in [the most effective way possible](https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1181249892527808512): > [@Lindsey Graham](#): > > No matter what President Trump is saying about his decision, **it is EXACTLY what President Obama did** in Iraq with even more disastrous consequences for our national security. > > **Unlike President Obama** , I hope President Trump will reassess and take sound military advice. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/33 "2019-10-07T19:10:40Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > The story is more fun if you start from when Dorothy’s house lands on The Wicked Witch of The East… and not when she, The Tin Man, The Scare Crow, and The Cowardly Lion go to visit Trump. “I need a brain!” “I need a heart!” “I need courage!” “Gentlemen, you are shit out of luck.” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/34 "2019-10-07T19:11:41Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > (Current) [Secretary of Defense Mark Esper](https://twitter.com/EsperDoD/status/1181268930511421440): > ‏ Cornfielded? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/35 "2019-10-07T19:15:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Cornfielded? Yep. It didn’t sound like the Secretary of Defense/Department of Defense were on the same page as the Commander-in-Chief, so it looks like the statement’s been pulled. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/36 "2019-10-07T19:22:08Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Is there no beginning to his “great and unmatched wisdom”? Love it! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/37 "2019-10-07T19:25:47Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Yep. It didn’t sound like the Secretary of Defense/Department of Defense were on the same page as the Commander-in-Chief, so it looks like the statement’s been pulled. The DoD’s job is to follow the President’s (legal) orders. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/38 "2019-10-07T19:32:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The DoD’s job is to follow the President’s (legal) orders. Exactly. It’s an indicator of just how extraordinary and ill-advised Trump’s decision was that such a statement was made. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/39 "2019-10-07T19:52:00Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Trump whisperer Lindsey Graham appears to be trying to change Trump’s mind in [the most effective way possible](https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1181249892527808512): JFC. They’ve had to resort to using reverse psychology on the orange fucking moron. Without the slightest attempt to even hide the fact that they are treating him like 12 year old brat. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420/40 "2019-10-07T20:02:12Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > They were fools to trust us _again_. Agreed. This is like the third or fourth time we’ve betrayed them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-have-betrayed-the-kurds/841420.md?page=3)