We Have Betrayed the Kurds

Fox News Reporter Jennifer Griffin:

This soldier sounds more than disappointed. He seems distraught.

Deep state! Fake news! Soldier with integrity! Unfair!

MAGA!

Mike Flynn must be happy.

Sure, we’ll successfully sanction a country where we have at least 5000 US airmen and store tactical nukes. :smack:

ETA: I’m sure Mike Flynn’s thrilled! Now if only Turkey’d get rid of all those Muslims, he’d be in heaven.

The US betraying allies isn’t news; what’s news is that the American government is betraying Americans. It’s only fitting that we betray the Kurds. It wouldn’t be right to betray ourselves and not betray a foreign ally.

I have no sympathy for the soldiers who just blindly shout “Hoo rah” for any jackass republican who wraps himself in the flag and screams bloody murder the moment a democrat with an IQ over room temperature enters the Oval Office.

I’m done with troop worship. Done with 9/11 flag waving. Done with yellow stickers. Done with all that shit. We’re not defending country. We’re just engaging in global jackassery.

Gee. Maybe your boy should not have started this whole shit show with his tweet the other day then.

This debacle is 100% on Trump. He owns it. Including all the ISIS fighters who will now be free to go back to whatever it is they like to do.

Oh, they’ll just go to Europe and blow stuff up there… so tough titty for them foreigners.

So Trump destroys the US relationship with the Kurds, who helped fight ISIS.

Then the US destroys the US relationship with Turkey, because Trump told them to go ahead and attack the Kurds.

Makes sense. Fuck everything up. “Look everyone! Over there! The world is fucked up!!! Stop thinking about my impeachment!”

It’s not 100% on Trump; it’s on Bush, and even more importantly, it’s on Lindsay “I’m gay as hell but don’t want to admit it” Graham. I blame Graham more than anyone. He’s the chickenshit who voted for war in the Middle East, claimed to be a never Trumper, but then became the biggest gobbler of Trump’s junk of any member of congress. Total coward. Been there all along as the US has wrecked an entire region.

Oh, and as an added bonus, Trump shits on NATO again today. Good job Trump. Is there anyone you have not pissed off lately?

<thinks>

Putin seems awfully happy.

Moscow Mitch and Graham are the wormtounges to Trump’s Saruman.

(Well, if Saruman was a complete fecking moron)

Could it be…SATAN![/church lady]

Have the Kurds ever had an US president who was truly supportive of them? Trump is an unusually bad POTUS for them, but I don’t recall Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. ever been favorable to them (although GWB’s invasion of Iraq and deposing of Saddam probably did them a big indirect favor). I don’t get the sense that any of the (D) candidates for next year care about them either.

I just don’t understand why Erdogan abandoned the Security Zone process. Everything I’ve read indicates it was working and US forces & Kurds were complying with the terms.

I predict now this betrayal more than anything else will cost Trump the election. Americans will be shocked at the outcome of slaughter and upheaval in Syria.
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Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC
I have tried to work with Turkey to satisfy their legitimate national security concerns.

I find the threat to invade into Syria – made by President Erdogan – to be disrespectful of those efforts and a major escalation of tensions between the US and Turkey

This whole time Erdogan was building up forces to invade. Turkey never intended to let the Security Zone process work.

The second one sounds like a nice sentiment, but in this case it’s actually bullshit.

As the LA Times editorial points out:

Hey here’s an idea Senator Graham:

How about if you work to remove the FUCKING MADMAN who started this whole shit-show off with his insane tweet that gave the go-ahead for the slaughter?

It’s not hard - simply work with the Democrats to release EVIDENCE for Trump’s impeachment investigation? You don’t even have to do anything difficult. You just have to do WHAT IS LEGAL AND MORAL. Think you can manage that, you pustule?

Right. That’s why Putin wants nothing more than to have sanctions removed. Because they don’t do a damn bit of good. Hell, it was even in the Mueller Report:

Because sanctions don’t work, right?

Here is evidence in handy chart form how they have worked in Iran, for example.

There’s a lot of evidence sanctions work, especially when allies share in the sanctions, and certainly that they are less detrimental than war or other actions taken against international bad actors.

Right. The same Americans who don’t know where Syria is on a map.

Here’s the talking point (and it’s already been uttered in this very thread): “I’m just looking to get our servicemen home, we’re tired of inserting ourselves into the affairs of other countries.”

It’s bullshit, but so is nearly every White House talking point. Republicans in congress will start saying their lines, the Right Wing Media will amplify them, and in this case you’ll even see staunchly anti-war so-called “progressives” thrilled (they are of course not smart enough to understand the complexities of the issues, or see how Trump’s actions are actually making for more death and instability and when Isis makes a comeback, then we’ll declare war on them yet again or whatever terrorist group our dumb actions help birth this time).

Now, it could be something which finally erodes the support from Republicans in congress. There is evidence of this. But the average voter? I don’t see it. We have too many people on both sides of the spectrum who are ignorant or oblivious to international policy.