We have movies. Why would anyone still go and see a "live" play in a theater?

While I agree 100% with the rest of what you wrote, I’m sorry but I have to take issue with this.

I am one of those people you’ll see “standing in the lobby with collection buckets.” The Broadway community bands together twice a year for a 6-week period to raise donations for BC/EFA (Broadway Cares/Equity Fight AIDS) and the Phyllis Newman Women’s Health Initiative. 100% of every dollar placed in the buckets goes to support these charities. Most shows which participate also sell special merchandise such as cast signed posters/photos, props & backstage tours. No one is ever made to feel as if they must donate, and as the cast members say each night from the stage - No donation is too small.
Frankly it disgusts me that you two people are “embarrassed” by this. Our last fundraising season this past fall raised a total of almost $4 million dollars, and we are currently in the middle of our Spring fundraising.

Although I have to say it was somewhat amusing to sit through “Dirty Rotten Scoundrels,” a show all about swindling unsuspecting folks out of their money, and then being asked to drop some coin in the bucket on the way out.

Raising money for charity isn’t what I was talking about. If it is what Trunk was talking about then I take back what I said.

What I was refering to was the practice that many smaller theater companies have of hitting up their paying customers for “donations to produce our next play” after the person has already shelled out $18 for a ticket and probably a few bucks for a concession.

I know how much it costs to produce a play, and I understand that producing small theater is mostly a money losing venture. But hitting up people who have already dropped $20+ to come see your show for more money on their way out of the theater or at intermission is shameful. They should be able to come see your show without having to deal with you begging for more money.

Is it necessary to make one better than the other? I know that from the time of Stage Door, and certainly before, movies were considered inferior.

But to me 2001 is every bit as emotionally involving as, say Breaking the Code. They are both well suited for their medium. Sgt. Peppers could never be done live, but there are plenty of examples of live music being superior.

While it is a cliche that stage actors are superior, it is also the case that some aren’t right for movies - I think Nathan Lane qualifies. Some actors are lucky enough to be able to do both well, but that doesn’t mean that one is better than the other. That’s not an endorsement of celebrity runs, done just to sell tickets, just a recognition that some actors work best small.

I’m just gobsmacked by the OP, but I’ll try to answer in good faith.

-Part of it is like the difference between owning a handcrafted item vs one that is mass-produced. There’s something very charming about knowing something was individually crafted as a one-off. And that’s what live performances are - sure, they’re scripted, and things are supposed to follow the script exactly, but the performance is being made right in front of you. It’s a gourmet meal, vs a prepacked TV dinner.

-Part of it is that your participation is required to make it work - you’re required to stretch your imagination and accept that the stage is the deck of a rolling ship in high seas (or whatever) - Some might consider this a shortcoming, but it’s not. It’s just not all prepackaged and predigested for you. You have to work with it, and that work leads to (and makes it) a satisfying experience.

I agree, one is not better than the other. I like my analogy of art photography to paining better than live music to recorded music. They are just different. Similar on the surface, but ultimatley different.

I used to be snobbish enough to feel that film acting wasn’t really acting. That was wrong of me. Film acting is just so different from stage acting that it was hard to wrap my head around the idea that there was just as much craft involved in film acting as there was in stage acting, it’s just a different craft.

I do think it takes more work and training to be a passable stage actor than it does to become a passable film actor. But to really be good at either medium takes a lot of work, time, and energy. All serious actors have my respect, no matter where they act. It’s a hard and scarry life.

I feel your pain, NAF. We’d go to more live shows, but, really there’s a huge financial barrier. Theatre is way too expensive. I am into a lot of different artistic experiences … movies, television, books, radio, live music, dramatic arts, museums, … of all the things, live theater (followed closely by live music) are usually just prohibitively expensive. And the popular appeal and knowledge about live performance is not going to grow so long as it’s so much more expensive than other activities. It’s a Catch-22.

Yeah, it’s hard to know what to do. When I was in school we all had big plans to fix the problem and make theatre that was smart, fun, accesable and affordable. I don’t think a single person in my class has been sucessful. At the end of the day making sure you have enough money in you pocket to eat is just more important, and the grants just aren’t out there like they used to be.

I don’t know why people go to sporting events when they can watch them on TV.

I don’t know why people bother to live lives when they could watch soap operas every day. Those people are better looking, get more action, and have more interesting lives than most people.

Apples and oranges. Live theater is to movies as soap operas are to real life is not a valid analogy. To work, it would have the be something along the lines of live theater is to movies as romance novels are to soap operas. Still not all that valid a comparison, but closer than what you came up with. Live theater is not real life. I get the impression, though, that a lot of people in this thread would disagree with that statement.

I don’t know why people watch sporting events on TV when they could avoid them entirely by just changing the channel.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting that not everyone hates sports as much as I do. My bad. :wink:

Live theatre is live life. You are watching the actor’s life who is doing the role live. If you were watching the actor as they were filming a scene, that would be real life too. But watching anything on tape is not real life, particularly things that have been done one hundred different times, edited one hundred different times, and sliced together.

I haven’t read through the thread yet, I just had to respond to the title.

I go to theatre because there is a special magic to watching a piece happen live. It is down to the skill of the actor(s) in taking me through the journey, the skill of the director in keeping the story in relief while the background remains alive. I see at least 50 performances a year in all styles, from big budget blockbusters to fringe festival performances with a budget of $20. and a gift card from Home Depot. I like film, but it will never replace live theatre. Among some of the highlights, for me -

Robert LePage - Needles and Opium. The stage consisted of two ceiling fans turned out to face the audience, a screen that could flip from one side to the other, a trapeze safety harness and projection devices front and back. The piece opened with projections of stars and Robert LePage in the trapeze harness reclining slightly in mid-air between the ceiling fans, which were spinning. He was instantly transformed into Jean Cocteau, flying from New York back to Paris and writing a wistful love letter to the city. Then, when the overhead projector showed the word “cool” in extremely stylized letters, and he went upstage of the screen to become Miles Davis, and it was revealed that the letters were the pieces of his trumpet, as he knocked over the first “o” to reveal it was the mouthpiece. Then later, as the actor named ‘Robert’, when he shot up with heroin and walked into the screen as it revolved and it was revealed that the material of the screen was spandex and he sank into the wall which then engulfed him. Yes, you could do all of this on film, but it wouldn’t be as enthralling because he was doing all of this right there in front of us with only the materials we could see.

Mump and Smoot - Inferno. A fringe budget kind of show. They are going on a vacation, and unwisely fly the plane themselves when the pilot doesn’t show up. They crash and have to eat each others severed limbs to survive. Among the other fantastic things done by these clowns of horror - the plane was a coffin which they rented from a funeral home. It had two wings made out of plywood, a couple of cheap fans from Honest Ed’s and the whole works sat on an inner tube. Flood the stage with dry ice fog to cover the inner tube, and the two of them bouncing around in the coffin made it look exactly like they were flying. Budget - maybe $500. total. Effect - well, I saw that in Feb. of 1989. Name me something you did for two hours once in 1989 that you remember in that kind of vivid detail.

I’m on the verge of going on, and I’d love to, but I need to get groceries. One last thought - if you really want to find out about the difference between film and theatre, be an usher. I had a friend who ushered at the St. Lawrence Centre who saw every performance of ‘Long Days Journey into Night’, directed by Johnathan Miller and was raving about how every night, it had been a different great performance. She had also previously been an usher at the University Cinema, and had seen whatever was there over and over as often as she could take. “No matter how good the film is, it never changes - you might notice details you hadn’t seen before, but it’s just aggravating to see something into triple digits.” However much I enjoy film, I love live theatre more. (And we never even got into Ballet and Opera yet!)

Movies and stage productions are very different things. I’ve seen Phantom of the Opera on Broadway, and by touring companies in San Francisco and Los Angeles. Each was a different experience, and each was more entrancing and emotionally involved than the movie.

For that matter, not only was the touring version of Jesus Christ Superstar better than the movie version, I even liked the high school and college versions I saw better.

I do enjoy the audience involvement, too. I’ve watched many, many episodes of Whose Line Is It, Anyway? on television, but none of them compared to attending the live improv show, calling out suggestions, and ending up on state moving Ryan Stiles around during a “living scenery” routine.

Ah, I see. Sorry about that. I’m not sure if Trunk was talking about what you are, but yes that would annoy me as well. I guess it’s sort of like how I always get letters in the mail from theatre companies asking for my donations because I once bought tickets from them. I was confused by his mention of “collection buckets” since that’s what we all refer to them as.

I’d mostly agree with your points except for movie actors and theatre actors being equally good.

Movie actors have take after take to get it right theatre actors have to get it right first time,if there is a crisis(an actor falling ill on stage eg.)they have to improvise and cover it and also if their audience is displeased they will know about it immediately and from close hand not months later while watching the TV reviews probably thousands of miles away from their potential audience.

As to the OP why go to the theatre in the first place ? The fact is that you are physically THERE,the actors are physically there,in 3d and and you can smell the props, the atmosphere is much more immediate.

And every performance is different ,you really dont know exactly what is going to happen,usually nothing out of the ordinary but you never know for sure.
There really is no comparison with a 2d light image and sound from speakers no matter how good and smell?Forget it.

I don’t think the photography v. painting analogy works. That’s mostly a difference in tools.

To me, it’s more like the difference between owning an original work of art versus a poster of a famous piece.

Your budget probably won’t allow you to buy a van Gogh, just as money and distance prevent most of us from experiencing the best theater New York has to offer.

But, rather than settling for what’s been mass-produced on celluloid or in a print shop, you can still have a first-person experience of art by buying the work of a local artist, and by going to live theater in your town, wherever that might be.

Well, I certainly didn’t know my OP would hit such a nerve!

It’s good to see there are so many people out there who genuinely love seeing theaterplays, and who have seen so many very good plays
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Having lost, in recent years, a couple of the “ideals” I grew up with, I’m probably a bit oversensitive to what I perceive as pretentiousness. Any form of pretentiousness; spiritual, political or cultural pretentes that IMHO don’t yield the results they claim, or whose tenets can’t be defended in critical debate are equally annoying to me.
I thought nobody would argue that the arts aren’t an exeption to the rule in that they have their share of pretentiousness; it IS annoying for the average theatre goer, like me, to have tried out a reasonable amount of plays, found them all equally uninspiring, still see how people rave about theater, and conclude, like **Trunk **said: “Yeah right, the old 'it’s culture”-loophole defence’ ".
But that can be explained, to a very large extent, by NAF1138’s valid argument how the odds of seeing a good play outside of major theatres are just a whole lot smaller then the odds of seeing good drama on TV.

This thread has made me realize that a lot of people are really into theatre, genuinely love it, for what it is, and do their best to make the best plays they can. And I realize that for those people, it is demeaning and insulting to hear someone say: “You are in theatre? Oh, you are just filling in time untill you can work in a real movie studio, aren’t you?”.

This thread has also made me realize what my own personal taste-reasons are for not being a “theatre person”. Those reasons are entirely idiosyncratic to me, but people wondering how I could write the OP might be interested in reading them anyway. :slight_smile:
First, I’m not a very intimate person. Interacting with people too intensely, too emotionally, for too long a time makes me uncomfortable. Especially dealing up close with highly emotional people, make me check if there’s still a way out, so I can be safely alone again.
Books, movies and internetfora offer just the right distance to immerse myself in other peoples emotions; I can always withdraw if I feel the need to.
Theater, especially in smaller places, is far more “in your face”. The play described by Cervaise, with the blood spattered on the audience, and the general audience participation the play aims for, would leave me feeling invaded in some way, and quite possibly would freeze me right up. Somehow, it doesn’t matter that the actors are playing a role; they come too close for my taste.
Linked with the above is my aversity to a kind of emotional display that belongs in theater: stylized, yet extra strong, to reach the last row. Perhaps such somehow insincere, stylized, yet amplified emotions remind me of certain people in my life I’m rather glad I’m rid of. Of all the analogies offered by Dopers in this thread, there is one I haven’t heard yet and that aptly describes the difference betrween movie and theater to me: opera versus pop music. Both are dramatized, true. But opera is loud, and totally stylized, and limited in emotional (not musical) range. Whereas pop-music singers, because they have electronic amplification, and camera’s up close, have a far broader scope; they can whisper, groan, subtly mimic, hum, vary the volume…and that makes their emotions that much more real to me, and, as a consequence, more sincere, so I can emphatize and enter the story.

More of general interest are all the other analogies offered in this thread. Soap-opera’s versus real life; recorded music/sports versus live; handmade versus mass-produced; sex versus porn…A lot of interesting things have been said about the validity of these comparisons. As for me, most analogies don’t quite fit for me, each for very different reasons. But that’s another thread topic all in itself.

I’m not a huge opera fan, but, but, but what?

Technology is used in the arts for many exciting and groundbreaking things. But the uses of technology that you cite, those are all merely compensation for a lack of physical ability. In defense of those loud, stylized, and emotionally limited opera singers, their voices can carry throughout a performance space unamplified even at pianissimo. That’s what they’re trained to do. It’s very hard, most people won’t ever manage it, and that is why vocalists of more limited abilities need artificial amplification to carry large venues.

On preview, I think you’ve hit another nerve. Well, points for consistency!

PPS - I’ll give you the “stylized,” while noting that opera is no more or less stylized than pop music.

If you see the same movie 10 times you’ve seen the same movie 10 times, whereas if you see the same play with 10 different casts you’ve seen 10 different plays, sometimes 10 different stories. It’s amazing how two actors delivering the same line can completely change a character or the tone of a play.

I totally don’t get how anybody could prefer movies to [quality] live theater (preferring a DVD of The Crucible to a high-school production of course is just common sense), but then of course I can’t for the life of me understand why tens of thousands of people would show up for a college football game (especially when it’s at a college you have no connection to- and you’d be surprised how many of the rabid fans are like this) or take pride in a local pro-team with players from other states and countries, so I don’t try to defend my own tastes or really try to grasp those of others.