We Have Pigeon Eggs

Poor little Liz seems completely dazed. She just hangs around and stares out at the world. Maybe we should have done some rehabilitation counseling during her incarceration. But I’m sure she’ll get into the swing of things soon and start flying.

Mom and Dad have started having sex again, so I definitely need to get that new flower box out there for them. Dad today started digging into the dirt of the old flower box to prepare for a new nest, so I put the carrier back on top of it. He shouldn’t have to do a bunch of work now for nothing and will have the new one to play with in just a couple of hours.

So again, we’re going to wait and dose Patrick after he’s grown some more. We may end up taking him to the vet next Sunday or the one after.

Liz eventually flew to the window frames on Sunday, apparently following Dad, who Alas! turned out to have forsaken her. He chased her away, she flew up to the balcony above for a while and then away. Not been seen since and it’s Tuesday morning now. We hope she is okay and will have a good life.

Meanwhile, Patrick’s nodules are causing concern. I feel certain he’ll be the next patient at the vet. But he acts healthy and active now. Patrick and Penny are 13 and 12 days old today.

Thursday morning, and Patrick and Penny are both two weeks old now, 15 and 14 days. They act healthy for the most part, but I caught Patrick briefly making some little gagging motions the other day. Then Penny did it yesterday, very short duration, but she doesn’t even have any visible nodules. Maybe internally? But we’re going to take Patrick to the vet this weekend for advice about how to proceed with the medicine. I’m worried about that warning not to administer it while the animal’s still growing rapidly. We’ll take just the one since they’re still under the care of their parents. Taking both might freak the parents out. We’ll leave Penny as a deposit, and the vet can look at Patrick’s nodules.

The bird specialist will be there on Sunday morning, but we can’t make it due to the Ching Ming festival. That’s not a Thai holiday but rather a Chinese observance. Thailand has lots of ethnic Chinese including the wife, so it tends to be a big deal, and we have family stuff to do on Sunday. But the clinic does have general hours on Saturday morning, and we hope they’ll have someone there who can help.

Meanwhile, we left the carrier out on the balcony with the lid open so the parents could clean up the birdseed scattered in the dirt. But they ended up liking the place! Started forming an indentation for a new nest and brought in a starter twig. When I was cleaning yesterday, I moved the twig to the flower box, and The Bully moved it back! No, we don’t want the carrier kept out there, so I moved the twig out again and closed the lid. I’ll empty out the dirt this weekend. They got the message and have gone back to acting sweet with each other in the new flower box I put out there last weekend.

Sunday morning and we have another egg! Laid in the new flower box yesterday evening. We expect another egg tomorrow and hatchings to be begin April 21. The next pair will be Teddy and Lydia.

Meanwhile, upon inspecting the squabs closing the other evening, I saw previously unaffected Penny was starting to form those pustules after all. We still took only Patrick in to see the vet yesterday morning though. We thought it might freak the parents out too much if both disappeared, plus we figured we already knew the diagnosis and that the vet was not going to give any shots, and we were correct on both counts.

Smuggled Patrick out like last time. Even though the bird specialist is there on Sundays, there sure were an awful lot of birds there waiting for treatment including a beautiful great hornbill. A really pretty parrot had its right wing in a cast, poor thing.

We saw the vet, a different one this time, and she took a throat culture from Patrick. He did not enjoy that at all. Lab test confirmed the virus. He and Penny make four squabs in a row, so the vet figures at least one parent must be a carrier, maybe both. Gave us more medicine and said we could also try dosing the parents’ water, but she was not optimistic that would work. Said they probably would not like the taste. So we may have to end up just dosing each squab as they show signs. Since Penny and Patrick are still small, half the age Liz was when we did her, she lowered the dosage a bit. She said despite the warning I read about the drug, it was still the only one for them.

Odd too, but I’m sure I remember 35-day-old Liz weighing 230 grams. But the vet weighed 17-day-old Patrick on the same scale, and he showed 251 grams! She said maybe he was older than 17 days, but I said no, he hatched on March 18, making him 17 days exactly. He is bigger than Penny even accounting for the day older in hatching and two days’ extra development in the shell. Male for sure, I think.

Since Patrick isn’t flying yet, we didn’t have to worry about him escaping like we did with Liz. So while waiting, I kept petting him with the box open. Gave him little head and neck massages. And in the taxi. That really seemed to soothe him. A lot. You could tell he liked it. Apart from the throat culture, I’d say he had a pretty good day out. (We were gone only a couple of hours.) And we noticed that while lively, he’s not squeaking now even as we take him and administer the medicine here at home. Penny on the other hand, she who stayed behind, squeals like a stuck pig when we grab her for her dosing.

So we’ll be giving the squabs medicine for the next week. This will be much easier since they’re not flying again. And no pustules near their eyes threatening vision, so no need for eye ointment this time.

And right on schedule, Ladyboy laid the second egg yesterday (Monday). Always two days apart.

Patrick and Penny seem to be responding well to the medicine. They’re still small enough that I can handle it on my own, although Patrick is growing much bigger now.

Friday morning and today is the seventh and last day of medicine for squabs Patrick and Penny, aged 23 and 22 days, respectively. The pustules are still there but looking dryer. The squabs still seem active, eat okay. We dosed them in time, we think. Good that they’re still not flying, but they’re growing. It’s becoming more difficult. They’ve not hopped out of the tree pot yet, but it’s higher than the flower box, so it may take them a couple extra days.

We’ve decided not to try dosing the parents. It would almost certainly be just a waste of medicine. The vet didn’t think it would work, but she felt she had to tell us something when we pressed her. We’ll observe this next batch after they hatch and start dosing them as soon as any signs appear. But the vet said the medicine should not be kept for more than six weeks, so after this next batch we’ll have to take a squab in again to get more medicine.

Mali turned three months old yesterday. She was the last non-infected squab. She and Timmy, six months old in a couple of weeks, still stay here at night.

I’ve decided to continue the medicine for another week or as long as I can still catch them, whichever comes first. Patrick is doing okay, but I’m not satisfied with Penny’s progress. Her pustules still seem to be growing, plus new ones are forming including between her toes. They seem dry, and she acts healthy, but her condition doesn’t seem to be clearing up like Patrick’s. Actually, Patrick has a new pustule on the side of his bill, but none of his still looks “angry.” Neither does Penny’s, but they’re still not going down like I’d like to see. The first vet, when we took Liz in, said 1-2 weeks, this second vet said just a week. So I’ll continue on. We can’t keep the medicine much longer anyway, as per the vet’s instructions.

The vet also said changing out the environment might be good too. A week or so ago, we already changed the flower box. Today I switched out the tree pot. The new one is only slightly smaller. And I gave the balcony a good cleaning today including with Dettol (a brand of antiseptic cleaner). The Bully is so comfortable around me now that he readily feeds the squabs even while I’m cleaning out there.

Found Penny on the ground this morning, but I suspect she fell out while clamoring for a feeding. I did see her jump into the flower box, sitting nearby, and then back into the tree pot. But they don’t seem ready to jump out on their own yet. Again, the new tree pot is a little smaller but not that much smaller. Just slightly shorter. I let them run a round a bit, then put them back into their little home for the night.

Sunday night and sadly we lost Penny today. :frowning: She seemed okay this morning when the wife and I left home, but when we returned in the afternoon she seemed to be finding it difficult to breathe. A short time later, she went into convulsions and died. Age 24 days. I guess I was right not to be satisfied with her progress. Something just seemed off. The parents watched her die, and The Bully even came over and poked her with his bill. Sad. We reckon a pustule may have formed internally and blocker her breathing. Just a guess.

Patrick, age 25 days now, seems to be doing much better than Penny was, but I still plan to keep giving him the medicine through the second week. The medicine is not, unfortunately, a cure for the virus. There’s not one. But it will help prevent bacterial infections coming on the heels of the viral infection. I guess poor little Penny wasn’t up to it. Patrick seems much stronger, but worryingly we do catch him making little gagging motions from time to time. All we can do is keep dosing him.

Wednesday night and Patrick is four weeks old. He looks like he’s going to survive. His pustules are diminishing, and he’s an active little guy. Has been doing some big “helicopters” in preparation for flight and even jumps on the green concrete verge now. It’s a pity we could not save his sister, but Patrick shows every sign of recovering. Still a couple more days of medicine to give him.

But now some new photos, stretching back to Johnny and Liz last month:

First is Johnny and Liz at ages 29 and 28 days on March 15.

One week later, on March 22, we’ve returned from the vet, and Liz, age 35 days and flight-capable, is in the new carrier to keep her from flying away before we can give her a full course of medicine. As you can see from the tree pot, the new squabs hatched a few days earlier. Johnny disappeared for good that morning.

And here are those new squabs that same day, Patrick (four days old) on the right with open eye, and Penny (three days old), plus father The Bully.
Then at ages 10 and 11 days, again with Dad on the nest. That’s mother Ladyboy in the background on the rail. And that’s the new flower box sticking into the frame on the left. This is the day we released Liz, March 29. She flew away, never to return. Hope she’s okay.

Then Mom and Dad get frisky in the new flower box. And trying it out for size.

A night scene from April 1. You can just see Mali, almost three months old here, on one of the center rails. Timmy’s out there too somewhere, just over five months old.

Patrick and Penny at 15 and 14 days, respectively. You can just see a pustule forming below Patrick’s eye.

On April 5, Ladyboy sits on the new eggs, while Patrick and Penny are 18 and 17 days old. You can see a couple of pustules on Patrick now and maybe one on Penny. This was the day after we took Patrick to the vet. Note his bill is much lighter than Penny’s.

Last Saturday, Patrick (right) and Penny check out their brand-new tree pot, complete with fresh dirt, while Mama stays on the eggs. Sadly, Penny turned ill suddenly and died the day after this photo was taken. She seemed fine this day.

And today, four-week-old Patrick relaxes on the green concrete verge while Mama tends to the eggs. And a closeup of a rather sleepy Patrick. Again, he’s showing every sign of recovering from the virus. The vet says if they live, they can’t catch it again.

And all the photos can be seen on one page here.

Also have a video I plan to upload by the weekend.

New hatchings in a couple more weeks. We’ll be watching closely for the first signs of any virus.

And here’s the latest video, taken on Saturday, April 11. This is the day before Penny grew sick and died, which happened quickly. As you can see, she acts normally here. In the video, Patrick is 24 days old and Penny 23 days. Patrick has the lighter bill (beak?). They’re getting fed by Dad in the new tree pot, while Mom stays on the fresh eggs in the new flower box. At the end, The Bully takes over on the eggs to give Ladyboy a break.

I finished Patrick’s course of medicine on Friday night and just in time, because he started flying the next day (yesterday). Harder to catch him now. Today is Sunday, and he’s 32 days old. Still has some funny bumps on his head that give the appearance of horns, but they don’t seem to be growing worse. We think he’s going to make it. Seems healthy and hasn’t made those gagging motions for a couple of days now. Eats okay and while he still clamors for a feeding from Dad, he’s eating regular birdseed now and drinking water. I’ve handled Patrick much more than any other squab, and he still seems okay with me petting him at night. Doesn’t run away, not at night anyway, but now that he can fly he will leave if he sees me coming during the day, I guess in case I want to shove some more medicine down his throat.

New hatchings expected in a few days.

I haven’t said it enough, good on you for helping the squabs. Most people wouldn’t care, but these are family to you now.

Do you have names picked out for the new batch?

The new batch will be Teddy and Lydia. Expect hatchings Tuesday or Wednesday. :smiley:

And we’ll be watching them closely for signs of virus.

Thursday morning and we have two new squabs! :smiley: Teddy started chipping away on Tuesday as predicted and finally broke out yesterday. Lydia made it out this morning. Cute and wiggly. The Bully disposed of the eggshells over the side of the balcony as usual. We’ll be watching the squabs closely for signs of illness.

Patrick, 36 days, has almost certainly recovered completely. His dried-up pustules are even disappearing. He’s out flying every day exploring the world.

How do you pick names? There have been a lot of squabs in the last few years!

Maybe you could work out a charity contest to name future batches.

I’m happy to hear that Patrick is well. Good on you two for treating them.

We pick names according to whatever catches out fancy at the moment. For example, we like The Big Bang Theory and so named Penny for the character on the show. Patrick because he was due to hatch on St. Patrick’s Day. I don’t know about taking names for them, as there’s a chance for disappointment. Remember back when there was supposed to be George and Gracie? George hatched, but then Gracie never did, it was a dud egg.

Meanwhile, Mickey showed back up the other day after a two-month absence and is staying here at night again. This is him last December, the one on the left. Turns five months old next Tuesday. He disappeared suddenly during the week of Valentine’s Day. It’s him though, same “spotted paint” face and wing pattern. I wonder what he’s been up to.

New squabs Teddy and Lydia, ages three and two days now, are growing fast.

I hope they don’t develop those pustules. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

At least we still have the medicine. It’s good for another three weeks.

I still love catching up on all the new squabs, seeing their pictures and reading their stories. I’m so impressed that you’re treating these wild birds to try to rehabilitate them. That’s so nice of you.

Do you realize we are approaching the 7th anniversary of this thread? That’s a lot of pidgees!

Well, there was a break in occupancy out there between Big/Little Pidgee and the present couple, almost four years. Funny how different their behaviors are too. Big and Little Pidgee didn’t spend that much time together on the balcony but worked more in shifts. For the most part, father Big Pidgee would stay here during the day, mother Little Pidgee would take over close to dusk, no telling where Big Pidgee stayed at night. But with the present couple, both stay here around the clock. One or the other may wander off to look for food in the daytime, but only for short periods. They both just stay out there almost 24 hours.

Meanwhile, new squabs Teddy and Lydia, five and four days old, have their eyes all the way open now. Big eyes too. Growing, wiggly, still no signs of virus yet. Patrick is 40 days old today and has been flying for 10 days now. Here at night along with Timmy, Mali and now Mickey again. And that’s another difference – Big and Little Pidgee’s squabs always left pretty soon, but now we have squabs hanging on for six months sometimes or even longer. Timmy turned six months last week.