# We need a DNC 2012 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 5, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695 "2012-09-05T00:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/181 "2012-09-06T04:35:46Z")
2008: “Yes, We Can!” 2012: “No One Can” (ETA: I wonder what happened to the one term proposition?) ---
**Author:** ![dukette71](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8edcca/32.png) [@dukette71](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dukette71)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/182 "2012-09-06T04:42:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There is from some of Obama’s supporters. They think he’s still the guy they elected in 2008. Most voters realize he’s not and if anything Clinton only confirms his inadequacy. > > Imagine JFK giving a speech in support of Jimmy Carter in 1980. It’s probably a good thing for Carter that didn’t happen, he would have lost by more. Huh? “Clinton is a better public speaker than Obama. I think I’ll vote for Romney”’ Is that how republican logic works? ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/183 "2012-09-06T05:36:20Z")
I have always been baffled that Gore and Kerry didn’t run more on the Clinton economy. I have also been baffled by why Democrats in general don’t highlight the fact that in the last 50 years Democratic presidents have produced far better economic numbers than Republicans. Clinton did a brilliant job of explaining that. Obama’s decision to woo Clinton and give him such a prominent place itself shows he is a really smart politician. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/184 "2012-09-06T05:56:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton’s awesome, but doesn’t it just remind people that Obama isn’t Bill Clinton? It reminded me that George W. Bush isn’t Bill Clinton. The Democrats embraced and celebrated their former president while the GOP had to disown theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/185 "2012-09-06T06:01:22Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > I have always been baffled that Gore and Kerry didn’t run more on the Clinton economy. I think in those days Clinton was still tainted by the Lewinsky scandal, and Gore and Kerry (especially Gore) did not want to be associated with that. Now that enough time has passed, and the Lewinsky scandal taint has mostly faded, and Clinton is emerging as an elder statesman, Obama feels safe in bringing him out. Amazing speech by the way. Truly impressive oratorical skills. Also, it’s amazing how much more honest a speech can be when given by someone who’s not planning on running for office again. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/186 "2012-09-06T06:13:46Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > I think in those days Clinton was still tainted by the Lewinsky scandal, and Gore and Kerry (especially Gore) did not want to be associated with that. > > Now that enough time has passed, and the Lewinsky scandal taint has mostly faded, and Clinton is emerging as an elder statesman, Obama feels safe in bringing him out Except that Clinton was still popular with the general public even after the Lewinsky scandal. I agree that Gore in particular was running away from the Lewinsky scandal but distancing himself from Clinton entirely was stupid. Any competent politician would have associated himself with Clinton’s policies while distancing himself from his scandals. Especially since as a matter of fact, Gore did have some role in Clinton’s economic policies but was competely uninvovled in his personal scandals. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/187 "2012-09-06T06:16:45Z")
Anyway, if ya’ll think an undercard speech is going to win an election, you’re delusional. If Clinton couldn’t put his wife over the top, he’s not going to do it for an incumbent with an underwater approval rating. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/188 "2012-09-06T06:37:59Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton’s awesome, but doesn’t it just remind people that Obama isn’t Bill Clinton? > [@adaher](#): > > Imagine JFK giving a speech in support of Jimmy Carter in 1980. It’s probably a good thing for Carter that didn’t happen, he would have lost by more. > [@adaher](#): > > Anyway, if ya’ll think an undercard speech is going to win an election, you’re delusional. If Clinton couldn’t put his wife over the top, he’s not going to do it for an incumbent with an underwater approval rating. Well my goodness, aren’t you just a delightful little gem? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/189 "2012-09-06T06:39:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Anyway, if ya’ll think an undercard speech is going to win an election, you’re delusional. If Clinton couldn’t put his wife over the top, he’s not going to do it for an incumbent with an underwater approval rating. You’re hilarious. Of course it’s not about any \*one \*speech or event; it’s about the big picture. And Bill’s speech contributed to that. Nothing at the RNC came close to the positive draw that is Bill Clinton. Unless you count Clint Eastwood, but again, that was more of a sparkle on Obama’s big picture. And for Romney, who’s already struggling to inspire, appeal to the middle, present a coherent message about what he plans on doing as prez, or even show well in the polls, these net positives for Obama in the big picture don’t make Romney’s big picture look so hot. “Undercard.” Ha! I’ll bet you didn’t refer to those Republican ex-presidents who spoke in support of Romney at the RNC last week as “undercards.” Oh wait, that’s right… Who’d you guys have again? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/190 "2012-09-06T06:44:14Z")
The GOP is about the future. Any democratic stars on the horizon once Obama’s done? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/191 "2012-09-06T06:50:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The GOP is about the future. Any democratic stars on the horizon once Obama’s done? From what I’ve seen this week, yeah, plenty of stars up and coming on the Democratic side of the aisle. And what “future” are you imagining the GOP is about? Oh yeah, the “future” where gay people are invisible, minorities know their place and women are in the kitchen. Sorry, I forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/192 "2012-09-06T07:01:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The GOP is about the future. Any democratic stars on the horizon once Obama’s done? So the GOP’s conceded this one then? I suspected as much, but it’s good to hear such a blind supporter say it out loud. And to answer your question: Patrick, Booker, Castro, Clinton, Warren, Hickenlooper, Kamala Harris…don’t worry about us; we’ve got more than a few contenders. And those are just the ones we have standing on deck for all to see. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/193 "2012-09-06T07:16:39Z")
hardly. You don’t concede a game where you’re tied. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/194 "2012-09-06T07:26:11Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Can you picture the press if 75,000 people were locked in to a rainy stadium for half an hour, exposed to the weather? [Yes?](http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/09/28/us/28obama.5331.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/195 "2012-09-06T07:31:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The GOP is about the future. Hahahahahahahhahaha! Stop it, you’re killing me! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Oliveritaly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oliveritaly/32/15233_2.png) [@Oliveritaly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oliveritaly)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/196 "2012-09-06T08:09:57Z")
> [@Cyberhwk](#): > > [Yes?](http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/09/28/us/28obama.5331.jpg) Or this? [http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=822&tbm=isch&tbnid=dubGgc8fpmXYHM:&imgrefurl=http://www.alisonwright.com/contents/Documentary%2520Galleries/Hurricane%2520Katrina/image-Hurricane\_Katrina-15&imgurl=http://cdn.lightgalleries.net/4bd5ec0255078/images/Hurricane\_Katrina-15-2.jpg&w=950&h=628&ei=EVpIUJGdK-Pq0gGi5YHgDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=100&vpy=340&dur=1092&hovh=182&hovw=276&tx=179&ty=90&sig=106739696817738561443&page=2&tbnh=144&tbnw=199&start=24&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:24,i:218](http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=822&tbm=isch&tbnid=dubGgc8fpmXYHM:&imgrefurl=http://www.alisonwright.com/contents/Documentary%2520Galleries/Hurricane%2520Katrina/image-Hurricane_Katrina-15&imgurl=http://cdn.lightgalleries.net/4bd5ec0255078/images/Hurricane_Katrina-15-2.jpg&w=950&h=628&ei=EVpIUJGdK-Pq0gGi5YHgDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=100&vpy=340&dur=1092&hovh=182&hovw=276&tx=179&ty=90&sig=106739696817738561443&page=2&tbnh=144&tbnw=199&start=24&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:24,i:218) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/197 "2012-09-06T10:02:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Imagine JFK giving a speech in support of Jimmy Carter in 1980. That would either be completely awesome or simply consist of “Brains” repeated over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/198 "2012-09-06T10:11:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The GOP is about the future. Yes. They spent the week pretending the past didn’t happen. As Christie said, it doesn’t matter how we got here. George W. Who? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/199 "2012-09-06T10:14:39Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > I have always been baffled that Gore and Kerry didn’t run more on the Clinton economy. I have also been baffled by why Democrats in general don’t highlight the fact that in the last 50 years Democratic presidents have produced far better economic numbers than Republicans. Clinton did a brilliant job of explaining that. Obama’s decision to woo Clinton and give him such a prominent place itself shows he is a really smart politician. They don’t even have to limit it to the last 50 years. If you look at all available data (whicch generally goes back to FDR), the song remains the same. You pick any indicator you like; it’s done better under Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/200 "2012-09-06T10:20:37Z")
adaher and OMG are in damage-control free fall right now, it looks like. Hillarious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695.md?page=11)