# We need a DNC 2012 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 5, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695 "2012-09-05T00:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/262 "2012-09-06T19:06:32Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Yes, And Teddy Roosevelt was probably the most PROGRESSIVE President ever…who did things that would make modern Republicans puke. Hell, _Nixon_’s domestic policies were so interventionist and so far to the left of Obama’s that today’s GOP would excommunicate him. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/263 "2012-09-06T19:12:36Z")
> [@moonshot925](#): > > Your argument completely fails when you look at what the Republican Party has done. > > Like I said, 13th and 15th amendments passed by Repub Congress. > > First black men in congress were Hiram Revels and Blanche Bruce, both were Republicans. Your posts are so far off-topic that I have trouble believing you are really trying to argue instead of annoying people. Keep your comments related to the 2012 DNC. ---
**Author:** ![moonshot925](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@moonshot925](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonshot925)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/264 "2012-09-06T19:20:41Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Yes, And Teddy Roosevelt was probably the most PROGRESSIVE President ever…who did things that would make modern Republicans puke. But he also did things that would make Democrats puke. Naval expansion, war in the Philippines and conservation. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/265 "2012-09-06T19:22:17Z")
> [@moonshot925](#): > > But he also did things that would make Democrats puke. > > Naval expansion, war in the Philippines and conservation. Please see my note in the post before this one. ---
**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/266 "2012-09-06T19:27:55Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > A million people in Iraq? I’m assuming you can provide cites for that claim? In 1998, Clinton authorized strikes on nuclear production facilities, and there must have been collateral death. But _millions_? I’m referring to the ongoing sanctions and bombing campaign: [Here’s Professor Joy Gordon’s book on the subject.](http://www.amazon.com/Invisible-War-United-States-Sanctions/dp/0674035712) [Here is the GoogleBooks link.](http://books.google.com/books/about/Invisible_War.html?id=0Z1dyiDeRhUC) Here she is on [Democracy Now](http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/1/invisible_war_how_thirteen_years_of) and [Antiwar Radio](http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/07/04/joy-gordon/). It’s a crime of enormous proportions, and Noam Chomsky once supposed in the 1990s that the objective, among other things, would be to weaken Iraq’s population in order to make it easier to invade some day. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/267 "2012-09-06T19:40:49Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > I’m referring to the ongoing sanctions and bombing campaign: > > [Here’s Professor Joy Gordon’s book on the subject.](http://www.amazon.com/Invisible-War-United-States-Sanctions/dp/0674035712) > > [Here is the GoogleBooks link.](http://books.google.com/books/about/Invisible_War.html?id=0Z1dyiDeRhUC) > > Here she is on [Democracy Now](http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/1/invisible_war_how_thirteen_years_of) and [Antiwar Radio](http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/07/04/joy-gordon/). > > It’s a crime of enormous proportions, and Noam Chomsky once supposed in the 1990s that the objective, among other things, would be to weaken Iraq’s population in order to make it easier to invade some day. Interesting. I’m assuming the sanctions against Cuba and North Korea, et al, would also count as war crimes? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/268 "2012-09-06T19:43:50Z")
Professor Gordon’s work is certainly distressing, although estimates of deaths seem more like [half a million](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq). However, the sanctions were instituted by Bush Sr in 1990 (using the UN) & continued into 2003–which was Bush Jr’s reign. But I guess **OurLordPeace** thinks that Republicans are allowed that sort of thing… ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/269 "2012-09-06T19:48:59Z")
Clinton’s speech was OK, if you can ignore the spittle gleaming in the corner of his mouth. It was painful fighting off the urge to run up onstage and wipe the old man’s mouth for him. The speech was too long. Twice as long as it needed to be. It was also predictably about himself too much and didn’t focus on helping Obama. Other than that, though, it was great. Michelle Obama’s speech was much better. I liked how she indirectly confronted her obvious dislike of the office she and her husband hold. She did a good job of addressing that and deflecting it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/270 "2012-09-06T19:55:50Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Clinton’s speech was OK, if you can ignore the spittle gleaming in the corner of his mouth. It was painful fighting off the urge to run up onstage and wipe the old man’s mouth for him. You’re thinking of Clint, not Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/271 "2012-09-06T20:26:47Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > You’re thinking of Clint, not Clinton. Perfect. 😉 One of Bill’s best speeches ever. I love how he took on the opposition to Health Care and the Economy with the finesse of a great orator and the substance of a real policy wonk, and nobody got bored! ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/272 "2012-09-06T20:33:51Z")
Damn, by the time the speech was over, my underwear was on the floor and there was a cigarette in my mouth… ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/273 "2012-09-06T20:51:16Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Clinton’s speech was OK, if you can ignore the spittle gleaming in the corner of his mouth. It was painful fighting off the urge to run up onstage and wipe the old man’s mouth for him. > > The speech was too long. Twice as long as it needed to be. It was also predictably about himself too much and didn’t focus on helping Obama. > > Other than that, though, it was great. > > Michelle Obama’s speech was much better. I liked how she indirectly confronted her obvious dislike of the office she and her husband hold. She did a good job of addressing that and deflecting it. this makes no sense…unless you are stating the _opposite_ of the truth on purpose for some reason? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/274 "2012-09-06T21:36:02Z")
The stock market closed at it’s highest level in over four years today. A nice bit of good news leading into Obama’s speech tonight. Hopefully the unemployment numbers will also be on his side tomorrow morning. If so, I can see him getting a huge bounce in the polls after this week, 6-7 points. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/275 "2012-09-06T21:41:13Z")
Well, I’m Canadian and have no vote and no skin in the game - and I think Michelle Obama’s speech, while warmly and skillfully delivered, was predictable, trite, and uninspiring. But I’m telling you right now Bill Clinton’s speech was one hell of a speech. It was the best convention speech I’ve ever seen. It was too long, and yet he still nailed it. It was so superior to the RNC speeches it’s unfair. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/276 "2012-09-06T22:00:35Z")
Did anyone see the RNC convention thread? Certainly there must be one lying around here somewhere. Maybe Bush has it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/277 "2012-09-06T22:40:20Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > The stock market closed at it’s highest level in over four years today. A nice bit of good news leading into Obama’s speech tonight. Heh. Remember when the stock market was tanking in 2008 and the Republicans were claiming that it was the mere thought of Obama becoming President that was causing it? Good times. Why don’t they say that anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/278 "2012-09-06T23:59:27Z")
Gabby Giffords, you are amazing! ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/279 "2012-09-07T00:06:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Heh. Remember when the stock market was tanking in 2008 and the Republicans were claiming that it was the mere thought of Obama becoming President that was causing it? Good times. Why don’t they say that anymore? I remember when Democrats used to argue that using the stock market as a gauge of economic strength was in error. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/280 "2012-09-07T00:12:43Z")
Well, it is. Still funny. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/281 "2012-09-07T00:15:32Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I remember when Democrats used to argue that using the stock market as a gauge of economic strength was in error. I remember when Republicans were consistent in their principles rather than saying whatever they can think of to paint Democrats bad and Republicans good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695.md?page=15)