# We need a DNC 2012 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 5, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695 "2012-09-05T00:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/121 "2012-09-05T21:34:11Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Brit Hume made the same complaint. > > It’s both true and ridiculous at the same time. You have to remember that conventions are infomercials. Infomercials are advertising. The basic thrust of advertising is repetition. I get why they do it, but if you’re watching the whole thing, it at some point seems like watching the same speech given by different people. Speaking of Brit Hume, he made some awkward comment following Michelle Obama’s speech, calling her “impressive” and “attractive.” Creepy. But it got even better when Hume continued that the speech was great, and that the telling of the Obamas’ personal struggles, the beater car and so forth, worked well. Then some clown Bret Baier interrupts with some claptrap about Ann Romney’s canned tuna and ironing board. Oh, come on! I know at Fox you’re paid to cheerlead for the right wing, but even the Fox News crowd isn’t crazy enough to compare Michelle Obama’s upbringing in a working class family on the South side of Chicago to Ann Romney’s fucking ironing board. Just accept that Michelle Obama legitimately grew up with much, much less than anyone in the Romney family. Surely you can find some other angle to shoehorn in how Ann Romney is so much greater than Michelle, because that one just won’t work. Final bonus point to to Chris Wallace saying the speech’s delivery was fantastic – I mean, read off a teleprompter, sure – but it seemed sincere! I had to watch Fox, btw. Was at a friend’s house who has some bizarre TV situation where he only gets like three channels, one of which is Fox. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/122 "2012-09-05T22:04:00Z")
[So, the Dems cave into the Israel and super religious crowd.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/dnc-god-jerusalem-platform_n_1859200.html) This’ll probably turn out to be the biggest screw-up, if you even want to call it that, of the Dem convention. The GOP will certainly have fun with this for a while, but I personally don’t give a shit. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/123 "2012-09-05T22:22:51Z")
> [@Oliveritaly](#): > > Can you (and maybe you can’t) drop the Zero+bama crap? It doesn’t help your argument and just comes across as childish. He called people “freaks”. He ( **moonshot** ) _is_ a child. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/124 "2012-09-05T23:05:02Z")
Here we go, night two. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/125 "2012-09-05T23:15:46Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > You’re right, she’s the 3rd coming of MLK Jr., Obama was the 2nd coming Michelle Obama knocked it out of the park, but her greatest strength, imho, is that she was nothing like the BBB preachers. I have the greatest respect for the Reverend Doctor King, but what Ms. Obama did was very, very different. ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/126 "2012-09-05T23:57:53Z")
> [@2ManyTacos](#): > > [So, the Dems cave into the Israel and super religious crowd.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/dnc-god-jerusalem-platform_n_1859200.html) > > This’ll probably turn out to be the biggest screw-up, if you even want to call it that, of the Dem convention. The GOP will certainly have fun with this for a while, but I personally don’t give a shit. I don’t care about the wording either way, the sham vote that passed even though it obviously didn’t get enough votes has done a pretty good job of pissing me off though. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/127 "2012-09-06T00:24:34Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > You’re right, she’s the 3rd coming of MLK Jr., Obama was the 2nd coming According to Wikipedia, the 2nd coming of Martin Luther King Jr. was Martin Luther King III. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/128 "2012-09-06T00:42:16Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I think she gave an excellent speech. A really good job. But I also think that her speech was too polished and too political. She could run for something herself, I think. While it built a good argument, it didn’t make Obama seems like a warmer human being to me. So, as political speech: excellent. As for what you want from a speech from a first lady, it won’t change any minds. But… it was written by a team of experts. It’s not hers. She just recited it. I dont get this fascination with written speeches. It does not move me one inch. Try speaking from the scratch, put something coherent and then will see. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/129 "2012-09-06T00:43:22Z")
> [@2ManyTacos](#): > > [So, the Dems cave into the Israel and super religious crowd.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/dnc-god-jerusalem-platform_n_1859200.html) > > This’ll probably turn out to be the biggest screw-up, if you even want to call it that, of the Dem convention. The GOP will certainly have fun with this for a while, but I personally don’t give a shit. Well, Romney “blasted” them for omission earlier today so they figured, we’ll say what ever we need to get money and get elected. They pulled “Romney”. What a circus. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/130 "2012-09-06T00:43:29Z")
Hmmm, been quite a few military veterans supportive of the administration on display so far, both last night and tonight. While it’s clearly calculated, I’ve got to think that some traditional GOP thunder is being stolen here, given the apparent decison to emphasize the economy at the expense of pretty much all other discussion at last week’s show. Yeah, I know a couple of the right-wingers here are claiming that no one cares about anything but the economy, but one could hardly say otherwise and still support the way the GOP structured their convention presentations. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/131 "2012-09-06T00:46:19Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Conservatives are apparently insane, then, because they’re saying (if my quick perusals of blogs are any indication) that a local weatherman says that “Thursday will be the best weather of the week” (because they’re infallible), that someone on the campaign said it’d be outdoors “rain or shine” (because no one changes their minds for legitimate reasons), and all this proves that while the President could draw crowds in the PAST, obviously this isn’t 2008 anymore and this proves that his support has abandoned him in droves. > > Obviously. Can you picture, for a moment, the chaos of 75,000 people, their iPhones and good suits soaking wet, trying to rush out of a stadium while there is a VIP to protect? It takes half an hour at least to get a VIP in and out, and the place is on lockdown the whole time. Can you picture the press if 75,000 people were locked in to a rainy stadium for half an hour, exposed to the weather? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/132 "2012-09-06T00:54:42Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > But… it was written by a team of experts. It’s not hers. She just recited it. > > I dont get this fascination with written speeches. It does not move me one inch. > > Try speaking from the scratch, put something coherent and then will see. No it wasn’t. It’s been well reported that she wrote it all herself and has been working on it for a month. Barack Obama writes a lot of his own speeches as well. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/133 "2012-09-06T00:55:10Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > But… it was written by a team of experts. It’s not hers. She just recited it. > > I dont get this fascination with written speeches. It does not move me one inch. > > Try speaking from the scratch, put something coherent and then will see. Get the text, film yourself “just reciting” it, post it on YouTube, read the comments, and report back. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/134 "2012-09-06T00:57:22Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Can you picture, for a moment, the chaos of 75,000 people, their iPhones and good suits soaking wet, trying to rush out of a stadium while there is a VIP to protect? It takes half an hour at least to get a VIP in and out, and the place is on lockdown the whole time. Can you picture the press if 75,000 people were locked in to a rainy stadium for half an hour, exposed to the weather? The poster was being sardonic, I believe. Note the paraphrased text. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/135 "2012-09-06T01:08:21Z")
> [@j666](#): > > Get the text, film yourself “just reciting” it, post it on YouTube, read the comments, and report back. Is that the best you can do? Why don’t you try talking to a an empty chair and you report back? I mean… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/136 "2012-09-06T01:09:37Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > No it wasn’t. It’s been well reported that she wrote it all herself and has been working on it for a month. Barack Obama writes a lot of his own speeches as well. Cite? You know, official cite, not some dude with a blog. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/137 "2012-09-06T01:16:24Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > The poster was being sardonic, I believe. Note the paraphrased text. Doh. I blame lack of sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/138 "2012-09-06T01:20:35Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > But… it was written by a team of experts. It’s not hers. She just recited it. > > I dont get this fascination with written speeches. It does not move me one inch. > > Try speaking from the scratch, put something coherent and then will see. So you’re saying she didn’t build that? ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/139 "2012-09-06T01:23:22Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > So you’re saying she didn’t build that? That’s what he said. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695/140 "2012-09-06T01:27:34Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Cite? > > You know, official cite, not some dude with a blog. > **[The “New Obama”: Michelle Keeps Hope Alive](https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-new-obama-michelle-keeps-hope-alive)** > > Let us praise Michelle Obama, a tall, glamorous, intelligent, and strong-minded daughter of the Windy City who finally came into her own, without any … "In part, that was because her speech, which she apparently worked on with a speechwriter for weeks, was superior. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-need-a-dnc-2012-thread/633695.md?page=8)