"We need conservatives" why?

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The argument simply cannot be “good conservatives are irrelevant, thus we should ignore them and continue marginalizing them, rather than recognizing openly that there are good ones?”

Which metaphorical racists do I support, out of curiosity? (PS - I haven’t voted Republican for President since Reagan, and I’ve voted for Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians for Congress, depending upon their various stances). I mean really, have you castigated the Democrats and liberals on this board who supported Clinton, the signer of the DOMA? That’s a fairly evil piece of legislation, and a search of your posts does not ever reveal you speaking out against Clinton or Democrats on that point. Are you sure it’s only conservatives who are evil?* And which party voted in the Senate along with Republicans to not ratify Kyoto - when’s the last time you called out Democrats for that evil? Another search of your posts reveals no such happening.

If you’re just biased that’s normal, but at least admit it. I’m biased on many levels politically, although I try to be even and fair when I assign blame or heap praise, I’m sure I make mistakes.

I could say Republicans aren’t conservative but that’s a tricky thing to say - they are definitely conservative in some aspects, but not others. Isn’t your beef actually more against the Religious Right, rather than conservatives? Note I don’t say entirely, but more? Because I certainly have a huge beef against the Religious Right, and I don’t know what God Bush believed in anyhow, but more than likely it had a surplus of eyes and tentacles. I also have a huge beef against the Religious Left too - I cringe every time Obama starts his “preaching from the pulpit” to try to out-God the Republicans.

  • And please, let’s not even attempt the mendacious SDMB argument of “Clinton only did it for political reasons, blah blah etc.” We could very well excuse every single thing Bush did under the same banner.
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Plenty of those assholes would hate you for BEING Catholic too.

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Don’t forget too, the Terminally Stupid. There’s a few of them.

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Sounds to me like as much bullshit as calling anti-abortion protesters “Pro-Life” . . . But, leaving that aside, why is it that they’re coming out now for the Tea Party when, as you say, they did not come out in nearly such numbers for the Reform Party? Whatever you say about the current Administration, it has not been distinguished by a gun-control agenda in rhetoric nor in action.

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I mean that businesses, as such, want to make a profit and that’s their whole agenda. Most (not all) would do business with or in a Communist country if that were a practical option, if its goverment allowed it, and if there were a way to do so profitably, and quite regardless of whether that might strengthen the international Communist movement.

Businessmen, of course, often do have some sort of personal social or political agenda. Henry Ford is a prime example – in fact it has been said that his career was driven more by his sociopolitical ideas than by the profit motive.

But mostly it’s the profit motive. A CEO might espouse economic-libertarian rhetoric, but that won’t stop him from hiring Washington lobbyists to preserve whatever un-libertarian regulations or tariffs or subsidies happen to serve his particular corporation’s bottom line.

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Not enough hate.

Gun nuts don’t get their jollies watching some twit in a tab collar draw charts and talk job growth. They could give a fat wet shit about job growth. They respond best to direct emotional appeal: “THEY’RE TAKING OUR ________ AWAY. FIGHT BACK, LOCK 'N LOAD, HURP DERP!”

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Yeah, uh, as a gun rights supporter and believer in the castle doctrine and expanded carry rights who voted for Obama, why don’t you just eat a bag of dicks when you’re done with that brush.

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Actually, that’s rather hard to leave aside, as leaving it aside seems to deny some pretty hard truths.

Because they feel that the Republican Party is their friend only when convenient and “safe” for said Party, is my guess. Sort like the relationship between LGBT folks and the Democrats.

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Friggn outliers. :rolleyes: Dope’s full of 'em.

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OK, so you are a reasonable gun rights supporter. But have you ever met someone you might describe as a “gun nut”? I know they exist, I’m from Texas, and I’ve got some as blood kin.

May I have my pulpit, please? Thank you.

The enemy is fear, it degrades the mind with extreme efficiency, it destroys the soul quicker than greed. We are offered the need for “self defense” to trump all other concerns, because we are afraid. We are not afraid of foreign invasion, the Canadians seem altogether calm, and disinclined to any hostile acts other than offloading hyper-emotional female singers.

We are afraid of each other. So we get a gun, a talisman, an amulet against fear. Without realizing that it embodies fear, it makes fear manifest in an object, and that every time we look at said object, it reminds us of fear, just as any time we look at a crucifix, it reminds of Jesus (or Buffy the Vampire Slayer, depending…)

Not good for you. Altering your diet to replace all vegetables with cotton candy is probably better.

And believing all that, I still say: enough. The Court has ruled, and the practicality of the situation is impossible. There are millions and millions of guns in America, the prospect of any actual strict control over their sales and distribution is absurd, it can’t be done. Once again, I underline my membership in the Christ Jesus, Just Keep The Fucking Things If They Mean That Much To You, Enough Already! Party.

It would be a good thing if political action rendered law might severely curb America’s passionate fixation with firearms. But it ain’t gonna happen, we’ll have to go the slow, long hard way of gradually changing our fellow citizens minds. Its taking a lot longer than we thought, and we could use your help, if you are not too busy.

I don’t hate guns, its crazy to hate an object, its a thing, as immune to hate as to humor. I hate fear. And I truly and deeply despise, right down to my shoes, people who promote fear for their political advantage.

OK, you can take away the pulpit now. I’m pretty much always preaching, but no need to be so obvious about it all the time.

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But, the Tea Party is not a Republican movement as such, so that evades the question: Why are the gun-rights activists mobilized against the status quo now when they were not (to the same degree) in 1992 or '96?

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No, we’re on the same page - I’m saying that back in the 1990’s, 2nd Amendment supporters thought that Republicans were much more on their side than they are now. But they’ve learned that the Republicans are only being conveniently on their side, and the Democrats are out, and the Libertarians have too much of a bad reputation, so what’s left? The Tea Party. That’s just speculation on my part, not fact.

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I too am a librul, Obama voter, who just happens to be pro-gun. Maybe that paint brush is a bit too wide?

Added on edit because we gun nuts are too dumb to remember stuff: I am already on record, as to my very low opinion of the Teabaggers.

And yet, I’m generally pro gun and pro 2nd Amendment. Imagine that.

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Absolutely, and I’ve posted many times before, too many “law abiding citizens” have guns who should not have them, because they are immature, irresponsible, undiagnosed crazy, unconvicted criminals, or any or all of the above. And I’ve made proposals to deal with these folks, which would result in fewer firearms in Society.

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Me too. I mean, the status quo WRT guns costs more lives than it saves, IMO, but the Republic will not fall because too many citizens are armed.

Nor, OTOH, will the Republic fall, or degenerate into a dictatorship, because not enough citizens are armed. If you think whether you are allowed to keep firearms has any political significance, you are an idiot, but a mostly harmless one. If your idea of armed “self-defense” means against not only criminals but against the police, you are something worse than an idiot, but no existential thread to nuttin’.

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Keep talking, Fred. You’re a fucking bigot.

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You sound pretty evil yourself…

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Admittedly, there are a lot of fucknuts with guns and podiums out there, but it’s an uphill battle. (taking longer than we thought)

Totally agree with this one too–the police are 95%+ good guys, and that’s a fact, and there’s no realistic scenario where the US is going to degenerate into a dictatorship.

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If I’m Fred, then you are Hitler. I have just as much basis to compare you to Hitler as you have to compare me to Fred.

Funny how it’s only liberals who get called bigots for daring to disapprove of other political positions…