"We need conservatives" why?

You sound like my dad. Who IS a business owner. And a conservative.

In answer to the OP? I’m a goddamn good conservative. I vote based primarily on fiscal conservatism and social freedom, which means I help elect a lot of Democrats–which is fine, because “democrat=liberal, republican=conservative” has never been strictly true in my memory. I support gun rights, abortion rights, gay marriage rights, lowering the burdens on workers by promoting universal health care and a smaller military, etc. I’m a patriot who wants to close Guantanamo as a prison because it’s 100% antithetical to our nation’s values.

OP, you are going to find that there are a lot of guys like me out there who voted for Obama and want a lot of the same things you want. Provided jackasses like you and Limbaugh don’t keep feeding the goddamn flames with petty partisan bullshit, we might actually get back to the business of governing this damn country instead of slinging increasingly asinine policies and mud.

Because they don’t really work, and cause people to have to flush twice (thus increasing rather than decreasing water usage).

What they like is the fact that it kills off their potential competitors in much the same way chemotherapy kills off cancer (all cells get a bit sick, but the more susceptible ones die outright).

No, you posted a trolling thread to piss off the handful of conservatives that still hang out around here. Probably because you’re a useless piece of shit with nothing better to do. And you’re also probably a sock puppet of that jackass that posted the thread about how all religious people should be killed. Kindly go attempt an anatomically improbable act of auto-reproduction.

You didn’t answer my question. I know the small mid TN company I worked for paid a lot in insurance for it’s full timers. I’m sure they’d be relieved to not have that overhead but as individuals they might feel universal health care would be too expensive overall. It all depends on how it was structured. Would UHC be an additional tax taken only from the employees wages or would the employer also be kicking in some. That would probably mean the employer would pay some in on part timers as well, which they don’t do now. That would still be fine if the overall payment was less than they currently play.
I’d hope that UHC would encourage more employers to have full time employees rather than hiring part timers to avoid paying benefits.

That does seem to be what is happening with the economic crisis. A lot of small banks closed so the giants could gobble up thier business.

Then again , your average conservative wouldn’t support the bailouts.

OTOH, while large companies might enjoy restrictions driving the smaller competition out I think they’d still rather not have them in the long run.

“No conservatives” = Chicago and Cook County politics.

We need conservatives (send some if you can spare them).

Because some conservatives are single issue conservatives who are only conservative because of the abortion issue. These people frequently provide much of the charitable activity in the counry and the world.

If Mother Theresa were alive today I bet she would be vote conservative based purely on the abortion issue.

I most of the good government conservatives have been driven out of the republican party and been replaced by Grover Norquist acolytes.

The racists are still there.

None of that sounds conservative at all, except arguably gun rights.

To be fair, he is trying to survive in a party that has veered so far to the right that he has to pay homage to people like Pat Robertson to get he Republican nomination.

Well imagine a country run by a pro-choice Mother Theresa. Or country whose policies were dictated by Gandhi.

These are both heroes of mine (they are not without flaws) but don’t think it would work

To a liberal, conservatives ARE the things that go bump in the night.

Is there a class or something you can take for that?

Well, there would be, but conservatives blocked it. :wink:

Well, the price of gold HAS been going up and they were pretty accurate about how then public would respond to blatant easily disprovable lies.

I think conservatives deserve a little demonizing.

Right now they seem to be conservatives first and Americans second.
They are so convinced that the country would be better off with them in charge that they are willing to see their country harmed in order to ensure the shift of poer into their hands.

“beware the impostures of pretended patriotism”

-G. Washington

Well, it works for watermelons.

Yes, it’s called Scrotal Yoga

The first serious expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit was in a Reagan tax cut bill.

Reducing top marginal rates below 50% was a conservative idea.

IRAs are a great retirement benefit pushed into law by conservatives.

Conservatives argued for many years that the Second Amendment protected an American’s right to use a firearm to defend himself.

The policy of containment of the Soviet Union was at essence a conservative proposal.

The nuclear arms limitation and reduction treaties with Russia were all negotiated by conservative presidents (at least the ones that actually went into effect), up until the current one now pending negotiated by Obama.

Opposition to racial quotas is a good thing.

Calls to reform the welfare system seem to have been mostly successful.

Applying laws Congress passed to the Congress is a fair proposal, and part of the Contract with America.

The “loser pays” concept for limiting frivolous lawsuits may need some tweaks, but it’s a pretty responsible idea overall.

I consider myself a liberal, and these all seem like reasonable and good ideas that came from conservatives.

Perhaps the point is that the word is nigh-meaningless in American politics now?

My dad the Republican-straight-ticket voter and pro-lifer is not a conservative, because most of those statements of mine are things I learned from him and that we agree on? I wouldn’t say (given his voting pattern) that he’s adequately expressing his beliefs with his vote, but I think “conservative” applies to people to the left of Limbaugh, or Bush, or whoever.

TANSTAAFL, which makes you wonder how the conservatives could cut taxes without cutting spending. It makes you wonder why so many conservaives believe that tax cuts will actually create more tax revenue at current tax rates.

With that said, I think the sentiment you are trying to convey is that its a mean brutish world where physical force is the basic building block of power. I would suggest that the vast majority of the physical force in this world is in the hands of democracies and we can spare some of our attention on the soft and fuzzy stuff like justice and rights.