# We only ship to the US and Canada **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 10, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521 "2006-12-10T01:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fish\_Cheer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fish_cheer/32/17179_2.png) [@Fish\_Cheer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish_Cheer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/1 "2006-12-10T01:22:38Z")
> [@](#): > > International orders: We only ship to the US and Canada. Due to an extremely high volume of fraudulent orders from foreign countries, we can no longer afford to accept orders from over seas. We understand that there are people across the pond that want to be random too and we’re really sorry. We hope in the future to be able to ship internationally again, but for now sorry. Those mean people with stolen credit cards ruined it for everyone! ([http://www.randomshirts.com/faqs.htm](http://www.randomshirts.com/faqs.htm)) This is a minor rant. Well, no, it isn’t. I’m really angry. But they’re “really sorry.” WTF? Ok, I get it, there’s no civilization outside of North America, and while we’re dancin’ 'round our campfires fuelled by unfortunate LDS missionaries, we don’t really need cool T-shirts. We’re warm anyway. Gotcha. Still.. FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! I still want these shirts. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/2 "2006-12-10T01:26:11Z")
Have some sympathy for the stupid fools. How were they supposed to know that the VERY IMPORTANT MESAGE from a missionary in western Africa was too good to be true? ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/3 "2006-12-10T01:33:02Z")
So you’re telling me that all online business not operating in the US will ship to the US? ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Cheer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fish_cheer/32/17179_2.png) [@Fish\_Cheer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish_Cheer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/4 "2006-12-10T01:33:12Z")
You mean the one that ordered 1,000 “Si, se habla Old Norse” shirts for his democratic freedom fighters _in exile_? He offered to pay in pure gold, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Cheer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fish_cheer/32/17179_2.png) [@Fish\_Cheer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish_Cheer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/5 "2006-12-10T01:34:15Z")
[QUOTE=Amp] So you’re telling me that all online business not operating in the US will ship to the US? [/QUOTE] Why not? ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/6 "2006-12-10T01:37:55Z")
this chaps my ass to. shit, you get a credit card, process the money & then ship the goods. i’m not seeing where the fraud comes in. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Cheer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fish_cheer/32/17179_2.png) [@Fish\_Cheer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish_Cheer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/7 "2006-12-10T01:41:20Z")
[QUOTE=China Guy] this chaps my ass to. shit, you get a credit card, process the money & then ship the goods. i’m not seeing where the fraud comes in. [/QUOTE] Me neither. Visa is Visa. If I’m that untrustworthy (for being foreign and shit), I wonder why they gave me the card at all. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/8 "2006-12-10T01:45:18Z")
[QUOTE=Amp] So you’re telling me that all online business not operating in the US will ship to the US? [/QUOTE] Not necessarily, but they won’t give their reasons with such ridiculously parochial and rather patronising fraud-related ways. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/9 "2006-12-10T01:48:25Z")
[QUOTE=China Guy] this chaps my ass to. shit, you get a credit card, process the money & then ship the goods. i’m not seeing where the fraud comes in. [/QUOTE] Heh. They accept money orders. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/10 "2006-12-10T01:59:48Z")
Damn, now I have to buy a chicken t-shirt. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/11 "2006-12-10T02:12:30Z")
I think they could have just left it as we only ship to US or Canada. The explanation just gets stupider as you read. I occasioanly help a freind with her ebay business. Anything larger they a legal size envelope is limited to american or canadian shipping. It is dificult and can get expensive to get confirmed or ensured deliveries to some countries on larger items. ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/12 "2006-12-10T02:30:21Z")
[QUOTE=GorillaMan] Not necessarily, but they won’t give their reasons with such ridiculously parochial and rather patronising fraud-related ways. [/QUOTE] What, praytell, is “ridiculously parochial and rather patronising” about discontinuing international shipping after being defrauded by overseas buyers with stolen CC numbers? Am I to understand that you think a small online t-shirt house should be prepared to subsidize international wire fraud just so you can have that “I (Heart) Monkey Business” t-shirt shipped to you? ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/13 "2006-12-10T02:35:18Z")
[QUOTE=China Guy] this chaps my ass to. shit, you get a credit card, process the money & then ship the goods. i’m not seeing where the fraud comes in. [/QUOTE] Visa will not protect the seller for CC transactions on the web. There is no signature and no physical card to look at, so the merchant must assume the risk. We have taken to personally calling people with large orders. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/14 "2006-12-10T02:42:35Z")
Sounds like a business opportunity in the making. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/15 "2006-12-10T02:48:33Z")
[QUOTE=brianjedi] What, praytell, is “ridiculously parochial and rather patronising” about discontinuing international shipping after being defrauded by overseas buyers with stolen CC numbers?QUOTE] Because it defies all sense. Somebody in Liechtenstein ripped me off, ergo I will no longer be shipping to Kazakhstan. If they had suffered a spate of credit card fraud in the United States, am I to understand they would have ceased all domestic orders, and continued foreign ones? ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/16 "2006-12-10T02:53:20Z")
With a lame collection of shirts like that, I am guessing the only orders they get are fraudulent Denmark know Bar-B-Q?. WTF, over? ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/17 "2006-12-10T02:59:01Z")
[QUOTE=matt\_mcl] [QUOTE=brianjedi] What, praytell, is “ridiculously parochial and rather patronising” about discontinuing international shipping after being defrauded by overseas buyers with stolen CC numbers? [/QUOTE] Because it defies all sense. Somebody in Liechtenstein ripped me off, ergo I will no longer be shipping to Kazakhstan. If they had suffered a spate of credit card fraud in the United States, am I to understand they would have ceased all domestic orders, and continued foreign ones? [/QUOTE] They don’t actually name specific countries; the locale that rips them off is identified as “overseas,” and the way it is phrased it sounds like the majority of their overseas orders are bogus. If this company is still small, even a few such orders could sink it. Their actions make perfect sense to me. When you know someone is trying to steal from you, why make it easy for them? I really don’t understand the anger directed at the company in this thread. Geez people, they’re just T-shirts. Go buy them somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/18 "2006-12-10T02:59:48Z")
Hell, I just hate it when US places won’t ship to Canada. I mean, you don’t have to deal with overseas shipping and that. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/19 "2006-12-10T03:02:41Z")
I have had telephone operators insist on knowing which state Panama is in, or the zip code for Saudi Arabia. The first “W” stands for “worldwide.” You can’t book a flight from Jeddah to Mexico City on most ticket sites. You have to start or end in America. Mobile phones in the US sometimes will not let you make calls to Mexico or Panama, check your agreement. A very insular nation. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521/20 "2006-12-10T03:04:56Z")
[QUOTE=China Guy] this chaps my ass to. shit, you get a credit card, process the money & then ship the goods. i’m not seeing where the fraud comes in. [/QUOTE] You’re in China, and you’re complaining about needing stuff to be shipped in? The Chinese are already making everything as it is. Whaddaya want, barbecue? Though that wouldn’t be a bad idea. Mmmmm…barbecue. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-only-ship-to-the-us-and-canada/383521.md?page=2)