# We should give Israel to the Mormons **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458 "2012-11-19T01:02:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/1 "2012-11-19T01:02:54Z")
Or the Hindus. Or the Buddhists. Or the Zoroastrians. Anyone but who’s living there now. If the Jews & the Palestinians can’t learn to share, NEITHER of them should get to keep it. Who agrees with me? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/2 "2012-11-19T01:14:41Z")
Let’s have it administered impartially by the Vatican… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/3 "2012-11-19T01:16:18Z")
Mom!! That’s not fair!! He started it!! ---
**Author:** ![ed\_anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@ed\_anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ed_anger)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/4 "2012-11-19T01:18:44Z")
The US should have renamed New Jersey to Israel and settled the Jews there. Would have solved a lot of problems. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/5 "2012-11-19T01:27:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Mom!! That’s not fair!! > > He started it!! Yeah, that’s exactly my point. If both sides keep acting like spoiled children, they should be treated like spoiled children. I know the Palestinians have a lot of legitimate grievances, but nobody’s gonna listen to them if all they do is hold their breath until they turn blue. > [@ed\_anger](#): > > The US should have renamed New Jersey to Israel and settled the Jews there. Would have solved a lot of problems. Didn’t the Jews originally want a homeland somewhere in America? ---
**Author:** ![ed\_anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@ed\_anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ed_anger)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/6 "2012-11-19T01:31:05Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Didn’t the Jews originally want a homeland somewhere in America? Not sure, but it would have made a lot more sense then sticking Israel in the middle of the Arab countries. The historical reasons to do so don’t mean much to me, as about 50 different religious groups claim the same miserable patch of land. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/7 "2012-11-19T02:02:33Z")
Who is “we” exactly? And what right would “we” have to do this? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/8 "2012-11-19T02:03:40Z")
I have often advocated for giving jerusalem to the buddhists (mormons and catholics wouldnt work because they have a connection with the city). My understanding is that one of the main reasons israel is where it is instead of africa or south america is because there is nowhere else in the world that had so m7ch emotional rssonance that jews from around the world would flock there to create a jewish nation. So rather than have a small but relatively conflict free jewish state in south america or africa that has about as much meaning to jews at liberia has to american blacks, the zionists opted for the current lication and hoped the arabs would see things their way. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/9 "2012-11-19T02:06:32Z")
I’m sure as hell not going to walk into Israel and tell them to move. People who do that have a way of getting hurt. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/10 "2012-11-19T02:14:30Z")
Yes, clearly what the Middle East needs is _another faction_ claiming Israel/Palestine/“the Holy Land”. ---
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/11 "2012-11-19T02:17:34Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Who agrees with me? Umm … no. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/12 "2012-11-19T02:18:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I have often advocated for giving jerusalem to the buddhists (mormons and catholics wouldnt work because they have a connection with the city). > > My understanding is that one of the main reasons israel is where it is instead of africa or south america is because there is nowhere else in the world that had so m7ch emotional rssonance that jews from around the world would flock there to create a jewish nation. > > So rather than have a small but relatively conflict free jewish state in south america or africa that has about as much meaning to jews at liberia has to american blacks, the zionists opted for the current lication and hoped the arabs would see things their way. You think a “jewish state” in Uganda, which has been far more blood soaked than the Levant would have been “conflict free”? Why? ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/13 "2012-11-19T02:24:00Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > Who is “we” exactly? And what right would “we” have to do this? “We” = the rest of the world. And “we” have the tanks and the bombs and the giant robots. Okay, maybe not giant robots…at least, not _yet._ > [@MEBuckner](#): > > Yes, clearly what the Middle East needs is _another faction_ claiming Israel/Palestine/“the Holy Land”. No, the point is to give the land to a group of people who have NO religious connection, so they can bulldoze everything and build resort hotels and waterparks and stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/14 "2012-11-19T02:24:10Z")
> [@ed\_anger](#): > > Not sure, but it would have made a lot more sense then sticking Israel in the middle of the Arab countries. Those silly Jews, insisting on putting Israel where _Israel_ is. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/15 "2012-11-19T02:28:48Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > “We” = the rest of the world. And “we” have the tanks and the bombs and the giant robots. Okay, maybe not giant robots…at least, not _yet._ > No, the point is to give the land to a group of people who have NO religious connection, so they can bulldoze everything and build resort hotels and waterparks and stuff. Right! The World Community–like, the U.N. or something–will just come up with some kind of new plan for how the area should be divvied up. After all, if the World Community were to come up with such a plan, the people who actually live there would all obviously _have_ to accept it. [No way could _that_ go wrong.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine) ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/16 "2012-11-19T02:43:19Z")
Bulldoze it all westward. Make the eastern shore of the Mediterranean the present east bank of the Jordan. Then farm tuna there. Sell the tuna to Japan. Cry more. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/17 "2012-11-19T02:43:38Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Who agrees with me? I disagree with you, and I feel pretty confident that no other person will seriously agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![romadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@romadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romadea)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/18 "2012-11-19T02:48:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I have often advocated for giving jerusalem to the buddhists (mormons and catholics wouldnt work because they have a connection with the city). Why would Buddhists want it, then? Maybe Tibetan refugees? but there’s probably a bunch of places they’d rather live before they’d move to the Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/19 "2012-11-19T02:49:08Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > You think a “jewish state” in Uganda, which has been far more blood soaked than the Levant would have been “conflict free”? > > Why? I was under the impression that the Uganda option was with the blessing of the natives. I see this was not the case. > **[Proposals for a Jewish state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_a_Jewish_state)** > > There were several proposals for a Jewish state in the course of Jewish history between the destruction of ancient Israel and the founding of the modern State of Israel. While some of those have come into existence, others were never implemented. The Jewish national homeland usually refers to the State of Israel or the Land of Israel, depending on political and religious beliefs. Jews and their supporters, as well as their detractors and anti-Semites have put forth plans for Jewish states. > In... For the record, I’d be OK with mass immigration of Israeli citizens to any state they choose. If Utah can be 60% Mormon, I see no reason why Connecticut shouldn’t be 60% Jewish. Heck if they picked Wyoming, they could be 95% Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![ed\_anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@ed\_anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ed_anger)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/20 "2012-11-19T03:08:58Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Those silly Jews, insisting on putting Israel where _Israel_ is. Gotta live in the present. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458.md?page=2)