# We should give Israel to the Mormons **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458 "2012-11-19T01:02:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/21 "2012-11-19T03:11:43Z")
Rants belong in The BBQ Pit and silliness belongs in MPSIMS. This is not a Great Debate. I think this goes in the Pit. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/22 "2012-11-19T04:20:16Z")
Well, an anagram for Palestine is penalties, so. . .there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/23 "2012-11-19T04:22:13Z")
I’m sorry that my country’s problems offend your sensibilities. Why, I’m certain I’ll lose tons of sleep over this. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/24 "2012-11-19T04:25:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I was under the impression that the Uganda option was with the blessing of the natives. I see this was not the case. > > [Proposals for a Jewish state - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_a_Jewish_state) > > For the record, I’d be OK with mass immigration of Israeli citizens to any state they choose. If Utah can be 60% Mormon, I see no reason why Connecticut shouldn’t be 60% Jewish. Heck if they picked Wyoming, they could be 95% Jewish. I guess you don’t really know why there are so many Mormons in Utah. I don’t think they’d take so kindly to being told that “their home” is outside of the US…again. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/25 "2012-11-19T04:26:46Z")
I’m perfectly happy with the Mormons having their own God-forsaken land in Utah. It has been keeping them there that has been the problem. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/26 "2012-11-19T05:08:16Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I guess you don’t really know why there are so many Mormons in Utah. I don’t think they’d take so kindly to being told that “their home” is outside of the US…again. What? Huh? I missed where I said that mormons don’t belong in the US. I was referring to the fact that we have a state that is a majority religious minority why not two? ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/27 "2012-11-19T05:12:26Z")
Here’s [a more comprehensive solution](http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-refloods-middle-east,132/), courtesy of the first-rate problem solvers at _The Onion_. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/28 "2012-11-19T05:13:59Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Or the Hindus. Or the Buddhists. Or the Zoroastrians. > > Anyone but who’s living there now. If the Jews & the Palestinians can’t learn to share, NEITHER of them should get to keep it. > > Who agrees with me? Me! Me! Hell, just pave over the whole disputed area and nobody gets it. ---
**Author:** ![ed\_anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@ed\_anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ed_anger)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/29 "2012-11-19T05:16:27Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I’m sorry that my country’s problems offend your sensibilities. Why, I’m certain I’ll lose tons of sleep over this. What would you prefer, having rockets launched at you or Jon Bon Jovi? You can take some time to think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/30 "2012-11-19T05:27:53Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Here’s [a more comprehensive solution](http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-refloods-middle-east,132/), courtesy of the first-rate problem solvers at _The Onion_. Here’s another one of the Onion’s solutions: [Ethniklashistan.](http://www.theonion.com/articles/northern-irish-serbs-hutus-granted-homeland-in-wes,305/) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/31 "2012-11-19T08:29:57Z")
> [@ed\_anger](#): > > Gotta live in the present. In which case, discussing where the Jewish homeland should be is about 65 years out of date, innit? ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/32 "2012-11-19T08:50:06Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Or the Hindus. Or the Buddhists. Or the Zoroastrians. > > Anyone but who’s living there now. If the Jews & the Palestinians can’t learn to share, NEITHER of them should get to keep it. > > Who agrees with me? > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I was under the impression that the Uganda option was with the blessing of the natives. I see this was not the case. > > [Proposals for a Jewish state - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_a_Jewish_state) > > For the record, I’d be OK with mass immigration of Israeli citizens to any state they choose. If Utah can be 60% Mormon, I see no reason why Connecticut shouldn’t be 60% Jewish. Heck if they picked Wyoming, they could be 95% Jewish. > [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Me! Me! Hell, just pave over the whole disputed area and nobody gets it. And what exactly do y’all propose to do with me? Maybe I like it here and don’t feel like moving…? You going to come and get me and force me out? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/33 "2012-11-19T09:09:56Z")
The [solution is obvious](http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/490-map-of-the-worlds-countries-rearranged-by-population): move the Israelis to Greece and move the Estonians to Israel. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/34 "2012-11-19T09:10:51Z")
> [@Noone\_Special](#): > > And what exactly do y’all propose to do with me? Maybe I like it here and don’t feel like moving…? You going to come and get me and force me out? > > :rolleyes: So uhmmm…what exactly happens in the settlements, and when Palestinians homes get buldozed or bombed? I guess they’re all happy about that as well right? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/35 "2012-11-19T09:31:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What? Huh? I missed where I said that mormons don’t belong in the US. > > I was referring to the fact that we have a state that is a majority religious minority why not two? You know how the Jewish people have a history with the area formerly known as Palestine and before that known as Israel and a few other terms for different parts of that little chunk of Earth’s real estate? Well, the Mormons have a bit of a history with the United States doing nothing when they got chased out of the country. In the past, the Mormons were told–very strongly, at that—that they don’t belong in the United States. If by some miracle, another place outside of the US were to be designated as a new Mormon homeland and the American Mormons were told, “Hey, here’s a new homeland just for you guys!” what, exactly, do you think those US Mormons are going to think about that? I think the better idea is to have the parties in Israel, Palestine, and the adjoining countries/territories sit down and negotiate _in good faith_ to stop the madness there. “In good faith” does not mean sending rockets willy-nilly into Israel for giggles and it certainly doesn’t include sending one into Jerusalem. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/36 "2012-11-19T10:02:10Z")
I think the Palestinians should be moved straight into Compton. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/37 "2012-11-19T11:21:51Z")
> [@ed\_anger](#): > > The US should have renamed New Jersey to Israel and settled the Jews there. Would have solved a lot of problems. Haven’t the Jews suffered enough ? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/38 "2012-11-19T11:26:13Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > For the record, I’d be OK with mass immigration of Israeli citizens to any state they choose. If Utah can be 60% Mormon, I see no reason why Connecticut shouldn’t be 60% Jewish. Heck if they picked Wyoming, they could be 95% Jewish. Out of curiosity, would you also support a mass immigration of Palestinians to any state, since it would solve the problem equally well? ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/39 "2012-11-19T11:39:06Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > So uhmmm…what exactly happens in the settlements, and when Palestinians homes get buldozed or bombed? > > I guess they’re all happy about that as well right? Um… when exactly did that happen **in the West Bank settlements**? (you’ll see why I’m explicitly excluding Gaza in a moment) Look, a few points: 1. You have _ **no idea** _ what is my opinion of the vast majority of the settlements (and the settlers) on the West Bank 2. The “problem” with the Palestinians on the West Bank is precisely that **they are very definitely still there** - no-one but the most extreme nut-jobs discusses forcibly moving them elsewhere – as several people so glibly suggested doing to me in this thread. 3. While not explicit in the OP, I think this and other threads have come up now due to the latest round of fighting _ **in Gaza** _. There is **no** Israeli presence in Gaze. Zero, none, zip, nada. And there has been none for over 5 years now. So it’s a complete non sequitur. The thing I would like you to take away from this exchange is the following: I’m a moderate left-wing person. I have never voted for Likud and never will; I have actively campaigned and demonstrated against them. I think the situation **in the West Bank** is untenable and that the we are comporting ourselves poorly there. However, if you start telling me you want me out of Tel Aviv, the city I was practically born in and the city I have lived in nearly all of my almost 50 years, I will tell you exactly where you can shove that idea. Others (in other threads and IRL) can do the same with the idea that we will live with constant missile attacks on our civilians – all within the 1948, agreed-upon borders of Israel proper (google _Sderot_) – and just grin and bear it. We tried. For 12 years, 7 of which since we got **out** of Gaza (which was supposed to be what we wanted). Doesn’t seem to be working out to well. It’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458/40 "2012-11-19T13:09:50Z")
> [@ed\_anger](#): > > What would you prefer, having rockets launched at you or Jon Bon Jovi? You can take some time to think about it. Wait, you mean one of my options is to have rockets launched at Bon Jovi? Sign me up! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-should-give-israel-to-the-mormons/641458.md?page=3)