# "We told you so!" (Anti-Clinton Rant) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482 "2016-10-23T15:22:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/81 "2016-10-24T18:39:15Z")
[Moderating] Edited thread title for clarity. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/82 "2016-10-24T18:50:10Z")
Could you also edit the OP for clarity. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/83 "2016-10-24T19:41:25Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I rather strongly suspect that you hate Hillary so much because she\* won’t\* fulfill the Trumpites’ fantasies of an ethnic cleansing campaign against brown people. That’s not true at all. \*Carefully hides signs of “Vote Trump!” “Murder brown people!” ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/84 "2016-10-24T21:47:20Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The only thing right wing droolers get right about President Obama is his middle name. In a way, they even get that wrong, at least in their interpretation of it’s relevancy to anything. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/85 "2016-10-24T21:51:38Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Could you also edit the OP for clarity. Thanks in advance. I’m only human. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/86 "2016-10-24T21:58:25Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > It is not that Obama personally made things wonderful. It is just that we are, in lots of ways, in paradise, relatively speaking, compared to where we were in 2009. I do enjoy hearing how the people who gave us the financial collapse and near-Depression in 2008 have been bitching ever since that Obama isn’t fixing it fast enough, in the face of their best efforts to stop him. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/87 "2016-10-24T21:59:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I do enjoy hearing how the people who gave us the financial collapse and near-Depression in 2008 have been bitching ever since that Obama isn’t fixing it fast enough, in the face of their best efforts to stop him. Nice! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/88 "2016-10-24T22:45:56Z")
Hell, soon as we fix it, they can do it again! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/89 "2016-10-24T22:55:34Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m only human. Assuming facts not in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/90 "2016-10-24T23:28:40Z")
I’m only mostly human. ---
**Author:** ![Jungian\_Camisole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8baadc/32.png) [@Jungian\_Camisole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/91 "2016-10-25T00:17:54Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Still, Houston will remain Democratic–like the other Texas cities. (Not just Groovy Austin.) Maybe you’d be happier in Vidor? Oh, _SNAP_! From a fellow Texan, I salute you. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/92 "2016-10-25T02:38:44Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > That’s not true at all. It’s not only true, it’s a centerpiece of his campaign and one of the favorite things of his followers. The Neonazis are out of the closet and cheering Trump, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise. Support for Trump is support for white nationalism and neofascism. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/93 "2016-10-25T02:54:58Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I don’t know the jtur88 at all or where he’s coming from, but I agree with my interpretation of the OP (please ignore the tautology behind the curtain). > > Hillary will be elected. It won’t matter if she channels St. Ronnie directly or hacks BriteBart to follow their policy dreams, no matter what she says or does it will be portrayed by the right as horrible. No matter what she is able to accomplish, the right will portray the country as having gotten worse. Simply looking at a fraction of the rhetoric regarding Obama’s terms gives an idea of what’s in store. > > Hence, “every dire prediction they make about Hillary’s administration will, and must, come true because” irrespective of reality, the right wing media machine will be saying that it did. > > The 2018 mid-terms will put Republicans back in power through a combination of Democratic apathy, electoral-map cyclical advantage, and constant hounding of how bad her administration has been. And the Crazy Train of the far-alt-right will primary out any sane or reasonably grown up Republicans. Note too that her administration will be hampered by Benghazi-level scandal after scandal. > The post-2018 congress will at the very least keep talk of impeachment in the media conversation, possibly finding something that that can bring forward without heed to its vapidity. > > In 2020, the right will declare the country is in much worse shape than it is now (which they are already calling a hellhole). The congress will have moved to the right already, and will be poised to lurch even further along. Trump or LePage or Paladino or the like will rise to ‘save’ us from the chaos they describe — and most importantly, that their followers _believe_ to be true. > > No Democrat will want to primary a sitting president for obvious reasons. A more polished Republican turd will mount a successful campaign against her, pandering to Trump’s current base and then some. They will then come down hard to fulfil that super-alt-right base’s agenda, punish those who got us into the mess they claim exists, and viciously attack the problems that pretend to exist, “which leads straight to Godwin: This is where Hitlers come from.” Bitter, party of one? Your table is ready. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/94 "2016-10-25T03:02:40Z")
Given all of the incredible hyperbole and the very concerned “Christians” prophesying doom and gloom under Obama for eight years; None of that shit happened. So really, based on history and evidence, we must accept the fact that the so-called “Christians” who predicted horrors are really nothing more than false prophets and slanderers. And we know what God thinks of those types. As for those not using the cloak of Christ in their predictions of doom, they made money off it, while the rubes bought every bit of it. You’d think the smart ones would wise up and stop buying the bullshit, but no, the entire base just gets angrier and angrier about reality not quite matching up with the scary world they’ve been sold. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/95 "2016-10-25T03:34:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m only mostly human. You’ve been mostly human all day! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/96 "2016-10-25T13:48:55Z")
> [@Jungian\_Camisole](#): > > Oh, _SNAP_! From a fellow Texan, I salute you. There is a small colony of recovering Texans here in Baja Canada (AKA the People’s Republic of Minnesota). I started a minor meme here when it hit well below zero few years back and stayed there. “Sure, it sucks here, but at least we ain’t living in Odessa!” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/97 "2016-10-25T13:54:50Z")
OP, I’ve looked at this tired, caffeinated, drunk and sober, and I still don’t follow your premise: > [@](#): > > Hillary will, of course, be elected. And nothing can impede America’s slide into a smoldering social and economic landfill. So Hillary will be elected, everything will get worse, as it must, and the Trump people will say “See? We told you so”. Every dire prediction they make about Hillary’s administration will, and must, come true because nothing can be done, by anyone, to stop it. **Even if we had Washington running against Lincoln, it’s a straight line down.** (bolding mine) So, is Hillary Washington and Trump Lincoln? Are you saying the nation is at the End of Days and no one can stop our demise? In which case, what does Hillary (or Trump) have to do with it? Just what the fuck _are_ you saying? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/98 "2016-10-25T15:10:29Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Just what the fuck _are_ you saying? Rigged. It’s all RIGGED. The entire system is RIGGED. It could BLOW ANY SECOND! RUUUN!!! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/99 "2016-10-25T18:26:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > There is a small colony of recovering Texans here in Baja Canada (AKA the People’s Republic of Minnesota). I started a minor meme here when it hit well below zero few years back and stayed there. > > “Sure, it sucks here, but at least we ain’t living in Odessa!” **Minnesota. America’s Canada.** ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482/100 "2016-10-25T18:35:37Z")
“I told you so” is a cherry-picking fallacy used everywhere; sports, politics, business, etc. You might as well call it the Stephen A. Smith (of ESPN) Fallacy; where he said something to the effect that “The Dallas Cowboys always have something bad happen to them sooner or later.” In other words, every season in which the Cowboys didn’t win the Super Bowl, was a season in which Stephen A. Smith was “proven true” - in which something bad happened; never mind the fact that 31 out of 32 teams in the NFL, every year, fail to win the Super Bowl. It’s a favorite fallacy of critics because it requires 100% perfection to refute. Even if you’re 99% perfect, the critics can just wait for that 1% to come by and then pounce on that and emphasize it and ignore the 99%. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-told-you-so-anti-clinton-rant/769482.md?page=6)