# We want to strip people of rights anonymously **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595 "2009-01-09T22:11:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/1 "2009-01-09T22:11:48Z")
More prop 8 bs Financial supporters of the bill are now suing to have their names removed from public record as donors. [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4yX0PUbQslfQbV4T\_SeI\_DmFeHgD95JIS8G0](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4yX0PUbQslfQbV4T_SeI_DmFeHgD95JIS8G0) Maybe if you stopped supporting bigotry people wouldn’t hold it against you… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/2 "2009-01-09T22:16:46Z")
I can see an argument that allowing anonymous donation to political causes is as important as allowing secret ballots, but the information is already out there and the donors presumably knew they weren’t anonymous at the time, so I don’t see the justification to apply it now. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/3 "2009-01-09T22:33:16Z")
This is locking the barn door after the horse escapes. However, I have to wonder how much of this is actually due to negative PR for businesses owned by supporters rather than fear of personal safety? Robin ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/4 "2009-01-09T22:35:24Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > More prop 8 bs > > Financial supporters of the bill are now suing to have their names removed from public record as donors. > > [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4yX0PUbQslfQbV4T\_SeI\_DmFeHgD95JIS8G0](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4yX0PUbQslfQbV4T_SeI_DmFeHgD95JIS8G0) > > Maybe if you stopped supporting bigotry people wouldn’t hold it against you… Heh that should be easy enough just make sure it’s contained in the wiki article. The Government isn’t the only group that has the power to keep records. Maybe someone should take out a full page New York Times ad with a list of all their names. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/5 "2009-01-10T00:02:24Z")
Here’s a nice one, all Google-Mapified: [http://www.eightmaps.com/](http://www.eightmaps.com/) Seriously, whining about this just shows that they’re ignorant on two counts. Fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/6 "2009-01-10T01:10:15Z")
That’s the best way to do it. You should see the look on peoples faces when they say “You can’t do this! I have rights!” And you say “Nope. We took them away without telling you. Here’s the list.” Then you dump them in the shark and aquatic monkey tank. It’s hilarious. Oh, you mean the rights-takers want to be anonymous. Pussies. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/7 "2009-01-10T01:35:39Z")
> [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](#): > > Here’s a nice one, all Google-Mapified: [http://www.eightmaps.com/](http://www.eightmaps.com/) I just checked all of the pins in my hometown (there aren’t that many) and was saddened to see that someone I know gave FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. Jesus christ. Well, I don’t know her terribly well, but she’s the mom of someone I went to school with from third to twelfth grade, and they live just a couple blocks from where I grew up so I definitely know her to wave and say hi when I see her in the street. They’re LDS, so I’m not surprised that they were for Prop. 8, but $500?! Something parents may want to know: [Mrs. Grossman](http://www.mrsgrossmans.com/6-0_meet-mrs-grossman.cfm) gave $100. You may not recognize her name, but if you’ve ever bought stickers for your kids, you’ve probably given her money. This sticker company, which is based in my hometown, is one of the biggest sticker manufacturers in the US. You can get their stickers in stationery shops anywhere in the country. You may want to check the label next time you want to get some stickers. I feel really sad about that one. My kids in Bulgaria LOVED stickers and would do anything (including behave!) for the promise of stickers. My mom sent me tons and tons that she picked up from Mrs. Grossman’s factory for me. I felt quite warmly towards them as a result. Foo. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/8 "2009-01-10T01:47:58Z")
There is a reason why campaign laws require that anonymous donations remain under a certain threshold – we want to know if someone may be exerting unusual economic influence on the election. Nothing wrong with spending your own money to support your cause, but the public may be interested in knowing who backs a particular issue/candidate, as it may be informative in regarts to whether they, the voters, share interests with you, the financial backer of the issue/candidate. Oh, what, you get adverse publicity and people may call you nasty names and boycott your businesses? What happened to “Blessed be ye when ye are cursed at for standing for righteousness”? Look, if the Dixie Chicks say GWB is a putz, and it is published, and in response some radio stations pull their records from rotation and commentators call them names on talk radio, that’s a consequence that a grownup should be ready to deal with. If your company sponsored Prop 8 and it is published and in response some groups of people petition for your boycott and call you names on talk radio, that’s a consequence a grownup should be ready to deal with. (And in this case, your company actually helped influence real public policy, while the DC’s were merely venting) ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/9 "2009-01-10T02:06:03Z")
> [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](#): > > Here’s a nice one, all Google-Mapified: [http://www.eightmaps.com/](http://www.eightmaps.com/) That’s very nice! ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/10 "2009-01-10T02:10:30Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Look, if the Dixie Chicks say GWB is a putz, and it is published, and in response some radio stations pull their records from rotation and commentators call them names on talk radio, that’s a consequence that a grownup should be ready to deal with. If your company sponsored Prop 8 and it is published and in response some groups of people petition for your boycott and call you names on talk radio, that’s a consequence a grownup should be ready to deal with. (And in this case, your company actually helped influence real public policy, while the DC’s were merely venting) Completely agree. I can’t, off the top of my head, think of a political cause or position that i support, that i would be unwilling to support publicly. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/11 "2009-01-10T02:31:13Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > I just checked all of the pins in my hometown (there aren’t that many) and was saddened to see that someone I know gave FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. Jesus christ. Well, I don’t know her terribly well, but she’s the mom of someone I went to school with from third to twelfth grade, and they live just a couple blocks from where I grew up so I definitely know her to wave and say hi when I see her in the street. They’re LDS, so I’m not surprised that they were for Prop. 8, but $500?! > > Something parents may want to know: [Mrs. Grossman](http://www.mrsgrossmans.com/6-0_meet-mrs-grossman.cfm) gave $100. You may not recognize her name, but if you’ve ever bought stickers for your kids, you’ve probably given her money. This sticker company, which is based in my hometown, is one of the biggest sticker manufacturers in the US. You can get their stickers in stationery shops anywhere in the country. You may want to check the label next time you want to get some stickers. > > I feel really sad about that one. My kids in Bulgaria LOVED stickers and would do anything (including behave!) for the promise of stickers. My mom sent me tons and tons that she picked up from Mrs. Grossman’s factory for me. I felt quite warmly towards them as a result. Foo. Something tells me that if you could have complete knowledge of every political belief held by everyone you’d have to boycott everything. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/12 "2009-01-10T02:56:33Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Something tells me that if you could have complete knowledge of every political belief held by everyone you’d have to boycott everything. You’re totally right. Boycotts are stupid. [They never get anything accomplished.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Bus_Boycott) Go ahead and pooh pooh, but I don’t see anything wrong with not giving my money to companies that support causes I find disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/13 "2009-01-10T03:00:40Z")
The anti-gay-marriage people have adopted the glory hole for fundraising purposes. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/14 "2009-01-10T03:03:21Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Look, if the Dixie Chicks say GWB is a putz, and it is published, and in response some radio stations pull their records from rotation and commentators call them names on talk radio, that’s a consequence that a grownup should be ready to deal with. If your company sponsored Prop 8 and it is published and in response some groups of people petition for your boycott and call you names on talk radio, that’s a consequence a grownup should be ready to deal with. (And in this case, your company actually helped influence real public policy, while the DC’s were merely venting) But the DCs made _public_ comments. I think this is dangerous, not for the business who may lose some customers (heck, he might gain some, too), but for the potential for violence. Do you think that as right as a cause may be, that opponent should be forced to agree lest they be victims of violence? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/15 "2009-01-10T03:14:33Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But the DCs made _public_ comments. I think this is dangerous, not for the business who may lose some customers (heck, he might gain some, too), but for the potential for violence. Do you think that as right as a cause may be, that opponent should be forced to agree lest they be victims of violence? Threats of violence are already a criminal act. Let the police deal with it. I’d be willing to bet you’ll see less violence committed by militant homosexuals that you will by rabid abortion protesters. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/16 "2009-01-10T03:19:35Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But the DCs made _public_ comments. I think this is dangerous, not for the business who may lose some customers (heck, he might gain some, too), but for the potential for violence. Do you think that as right as a cause may be, that opponent should be forced to agree lest they be victims of violence? I may not be reading in the right places, but is there much pro gay violence to be concerned about? Says I who would have absolutely no problem disclosing where my affiliations lie. If I believe in it, I’d like to stand behind said belief even in the face of whatever consequences. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/17 "2009-01-10T03:20:17Z")
> [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](#): > > Here’s a nice one, all Google-Mapified: [http://www.eightmaps.com/](http://www.eightmaps.com/) How did you do that? I mean combine donor info with Google Maps? In any case, I see a total of three people in the Castro donated, for a total of $650. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/18 "2009-01-10T03:37:53Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Threats of violence are already a criminal act. Let the police deal with it. I’d be willing to bet you’ll see less violence committed by militant homosexuals that you will by rabid abortion protesters. I’m not sure of the usefulness of your metric, but I’d expect that violence by militant homosexuals will likely exceed that by rabid anti-abortionists. I don’t think there will be killing, but many more lesser crimes. The reaction to the Prop 8 Vote leads me to believe this. And the way they demean an demonize their opponents. And so what if violence is already a criminal act. What does that have to do with anything. We’re talking about identifying potential targets. And when people think they are right about such an emotional issue AND they have the power in numbers, like here in SF, it’s easy for that to turn into a mob, even while they may act individually or in smaller groups. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/19 "2009-01-10T03:41:30Z")
I just sent an email to a local realtor, explaining why I won’t be using her services to buy a house. ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595/20 "2009-01-10T03:55:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m not sure of the usefulness of your metric, but I’d expect that violence by militant homosexuals will likely exceed that by rabid anti-abortionists. I don’t think there will be killing, but many more lesser crimes. The reaction to the Prop 8 Vote leads me to believe this. And the way they demean an demonize their opponents. I’m certainly willing to concede wrongness should it prove necessary, but I imagine that most of the actions taken will be more along the lines of what **Lightnin’** has expressed. What, save the crowd scene played _ad nauseum_ on youtube leads you to believe that there will be a violent reaction? Or even the lesser crimes you refer to? For that matter, **what** “lesser crimes” are you referring to? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-want-to-strip-people-of-rights-anonymously/480595.md?page=2)