# "We will not condone your perversion" (kinda lame OP) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 30, 2004, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958 "2004-06-30T22:20:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/21 "2004-07-01T02:40:49Z")
in 2004. I still hear this and see it online. Perversion, unnatural. So much for loving the sinner. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/22 "2004-07-01T02:43:35Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You’re right-I skipped that one. D’oh! > > Still, how would they KNOW if a couple is married? What-do they demand a marriage license to prove it? No, he’s not right. Nobody said _anything_ about marriage. **thirdwarning** is (as near as I can make out) reading “heterosexual couples” as “married couples,” which is another thing altogether. In fact, it’s clear from context that they are not using “couple” in an unusual way that applies only to married people, since they specify _heterosexual_ couples, and Scotland does not recognize gay marriages, or even (as far as I know) the proposed “civil partnerships” for homosexual couples. You have an ongoing romantic (or sexual) association with someone? Congratulations, you’re half of a couple. Try googling for “couples only” sometime and we’ll see just how much of a monopoly we hets have on coupling. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/23 "2004-07-01T03:45:58Z")
Well, at least no one is [celebrating this as a triumph over fake “tolerance” and political correctness.](http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_06_27_corner-archive.asp#034821) … Ooops. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/24 "2004-07-01T03:58:57Z")
What the blue fuck? [Gay couple offended by bed ban](http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=29&art_id=qw1088564224638S310&set_id=1). > [@](#): > > Angry at the response, Nock replied by suggesting that Forrest was bigoted. > > “Bigot? No. Respect for other guests,” came the reply. > > “Homophobic? No, I have no hatred or fear of poofs, etc - I just do not approve of unnatural acts being performed in my home.” […] > > “I have had bent people coming to stay, but they have had a twin room and respect our wishes,” Forrest was quoted as saying. Bigoted? Homophobic? Nah, those bent poofs are _way_ too sensitive. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/25 "2004-07-01T04:00:48Z")
> [@Shirley Ujest](#): > > Soooooooooo…Scotland isn’t going to become the new Key West? “I performed in the only gay bar in all of Scotland. C.C. Bloom’s. C.C. Bloom was the name of the character that Bette Midler played in _Beaches._ That is the _gayest thing_ I have _ever_ heard in my _entire life._ They should just call that place Fuck Me Up The Ass. …bar and grill.” - Margaret Cho ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/26 "2004-07-01T04:06:44Z")
Y’know, this might be the first time I’ve heard the term “poof” used to describe a homosexual… ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/27 "2004-07-01T04:06:53Z")
You know, most beds and breakfasts I’ve stayed in have been part of the owners’ home, or an extension to it. I can understand them expecting folks to live within the confines of their (fucked up) morality within their own home. It’s not really comparable, but I don’t allow people to smoke in my home (or on my balcony or outside my door). I fear that these folks may see an uptick in business because of their asshattedness, from scum who read stuff like John Derbyshire and basically think gay folks done spread germs. A man’s home is his castle, even if he’s letting guests pay to stay there. I just hope that the Scottish government treats these folks like the plague they are from this point forward. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/28 "2004-07-01T04:27:24Z")
Andrew Sullivan notes that the National Review post from Derbyshire was at one time much longer than its current, edited form. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/29 "2004-07-01T04:54:36Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > Y’know, this might be the first time I’ve heard the term “poof” used to describe a homosexual… Not a big Monty Python fan, eh? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/30 "2004-07-01T04:59:39Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > The guy does have a right to decide who he allows to share a double bed in his home. But in that case, he shouldn’t open his home up as a business. > > I can’t get that upset about it, because it just sounds like pseudo-natural-selection at work. I mean, isn’t it really, really stupid for a bed & breakfast, of all businesses, to discriminate against homosexuals? What next, antique store owners? In other news, gay porn video makers announced that they would provide their videos only to certifiably straight couples in the future. “We will pander to the perverted tastes of bent poofs,” said an industry spokesman, “but we will NOT condone them.” ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/31 "2004-07-01T05:11:16Z")
Apparently these nimrod owners are getting messages of congratulations from around the world. Emailing [cromasaig@email.msn.com](mailto:cromasaig@email.msn.com) would be a good way of letting these morons know that not everyone concurs in the congratulations. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/32 "2004-07-01T05:18:12Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Still, how would they KNOW if a couple is married? What-do they demand a marriage license to prove it? For that matter, how do they know people’s sexual orientation? A gay man and a lesbian (who happen to be traveling together) can share a double bed, but two heterosexual men or women (who happen to be traveling together) can’t. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/33 "2004-07-01T07:49:18Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > For that matter, how do they know people’s sexual orientation? A gay man and a lesbian (who happen to be traveling together) can share a double bed, but two heterosexual men or women (who happen to be traveling together) can’t. That would be because they don’t particularly care about the sexual orientation per se, they’re more concerned about that ‘unnatural perverted’ sex that can only go on between two members of the same sex. This place should be used as the Hetero bondage & torture HQ in Scotland. See how they feel about straights running around in leather with whips and what not. Nothing against that in the bible is there 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/34 "2004-07-01T10:14:19Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > “I performed in the only gay bar in all of Scotland. C.C. Bloom’s. C.C. Bloom was the name of the character that Bette Midler played in _Beaches._ That is the _gayest thing_ I have _ever_ heard in my _entire life._ They should just call that place Fuck Me Up The Ass. …bar and grill.” > > - Margaret Cho I went to CC Bloom’s in May. Cho’s description pretty much hits the mark. 😃 (Incidentally, there’s at least three other gay pubs/clubs in Edinburgh alone. A few gay B&Bs too, IIRC.) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/35 "2004-07-01T10:36:11Z")
Still, this sort of reaction would not have been newsworthy (waddyathink?) twenty years ago. Progress is being made. ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/36 "2004-07-01T14:22:13Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > Paging **Hamish** to rip this Mr. Forrest a new one. I don’t think I can rip him a second asshole until I rip him a first one. Not that I’d want to get that close. Not sure how it works in Scotland, but I’ve been told at every job I’ve worked at here that you can refuse a customer on just about any basis _except_ those identifiable groups specified in the Quebec Constitution (which includes sexual orientation). In other words, refusing gay customers here could result in a lawsuit. Somehow, I doubt there are similar laws over there. Not sure why you’re paging me specifically (not that I mind), unless it’s for the whole gay/Scottish-descent thing. I don’t have much to offer in this case, unless it’s a reference to Queen James and his “wife,” George Villiers. I wonder if Mr. Forrest would’ve turned them away from his B&B? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/37 "2004-07-01T14:34:31Z")
> [@spectrum](#): > > You know, most beds and breakfasts I’ve stayed in have been part of the owners’ home, or an extension to it. I can understand them expecting folks to live within the confines of their (fucked up) morality within their own home. It’s not really comparable, but I don’t allow people to smoke in my home (or on my balcony or outside my door) There’s a crucial difference. Providing differing treatment to different people on the grounds of sexuality is illegal. > [@Hamish](#): > > Not sure how it works in Scotland, but I’ve been told at every job I’ve worked at here that you can refuse a customer on just about any basis _except_ those identifiable groups specified in the Quebec Constitution (which includes sexual orientation). In other words, refusing gay customers here could result in a lawsuit. > > Somehow, I doubt there are similar laws over there. It’s pretty much the same, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/38 "2004-07-01T15:28:36Z")
The last line of the linked article implies that there is no law protecting gays from discriminatory practices: > [@](#): > > Gay groups have called for a change in the law to outlaw such discrimination. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/39 "2004-07-01T16:16:33Z")
> [@spectrum](#): > > I fear that these folks may see an uptick in business because of their asshattedness, from scum who read stuff like John Derbyshire and basically think gay folks done spread germs. I know a guy who caught the Gays after staying in a gay hotel room. And it was _after the sheets had been changed!_ It wasn’t pretty. The last time I saw him he was strutting around in chaps with a feather boa and singing “The Trolly Song.” Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958/40 "2004-07-01T17:41:17Z")
Yep **Hamish** it was your insite into ‘Queen’ James I was hoping for 😉 As an opposite to this in which USA should be proud, 10 years ago as a poor student I crossed USA with my best friend Paz (who is also male). To cut costs we shared motel rooms. We nearly allways had to specifically request separate beds. Paz and I may have looked cute together, but 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/we-will-not-condone-your-perversion-kinda-lame-op/252958.md?page=3)