# Weak men more likely to be socialists, what is the cause **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 25, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447 "2017-05-25T22:09:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![john\_b\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@john\_b\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_b_2)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447/61 "2017-05-30T07:49:46Z")
[quote=“GIGObuster, post:49, topic:787447”] Carter was also a submarine crew member. I have seen the training those guys got, plugging a hole (a simulated one with real water coming in) in a wall on a submarine with gallons of cold water coming in with other crew members working as a group to control a leak, is not a job for weaklings.[/QUOTE Sub training can’t be easy. Carter had the goods. As to his education, I’d heard many times that he held a PhD, and I believe it was in physics, applied, not theoretical, and now I’m being told no. If so, my wrong; and worse, wrong for the many journalists who wrote about Carter’s education. I didn’t grab the doctorate business out of thin air. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447/62 "2017-05-30T13:29:01Z")
You probably just misheard. Carter had a baccalaureate degree in engineering, substantial on-the-job training in reactor operation (in the Navy), and completed a non-degree nuclear power plant operations course - but no doctorate or anything close to it. ---
**Author:** ![bikerdruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bikerdruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bikerdruid)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447/63 "2017-06-01T17:14:42Z")
Intelligent and ethical humans tend to be socialist. ( such has been my experience) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447/64 "2017-06-01T20:17:40Z")
Well, except today I spent time with idiots who kept calling Obama a “socialist”. One of them claimed he was born in Czechoslovakia, so he _knew_ socialism. As I said, if you know what real socialism is, you should be smart enough to know that Obama is not one. In America, it has become just another meaningless insult thrown around by people who don’t actually understand the meaning of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Walton\_Firm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/45deac/32.png) [@Walton\_Firm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walton_Firm)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447/65 "2017-06-02T09:36:22Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > So, instead of a flawed study being politically grabbed by some Right wing flakes (and politically attacked by their Left wing equivalents), we have some Right wing analysts using fatally flawed techniques, (incredibly undersized population, vague bases of comparison (_e.g.,_ bulk instead of strength), p-hacking, and other errors to make silly claims. Given that the same researchers did an (equally flawed) study earlier which came to the opposite conclusion, I’m not sure that we can deduce the researchers’ political leanings from the outcome of their study. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447/66 "2017-06-02T10:17:36Z")
If so, they are just bad analysts and it still goes back to partisans using bad studies to make silly arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Walton\_Firm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/45deac/32.png) [@Walton\_Firm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walton_Firm)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447/67 "2017-06-02T11:10:17Z")
Agreed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weak-men-more-likely-to-be-socialists-what-is-the-cause/787447.md?page=3)