# Website Outerplaces.com: Physicists Claim that Consciousness Lives in Quantum State After Death **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 8, 2015, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991 "2015-11-08T04:08:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/101 "2015-11-10T14:35:30Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > MrQwertyasd writes: > > \> . . . a good amount of new age woo comes from scientists employed by the > \> intelligence services . . . > > A citation for this, please. I’ve got some excellent sources. Sadly they’re all written in reptilian, so, soz mate. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/102 "2015-11-10T14:37:01Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > News to me. What is this system or process ? All I have are questions about the dualism involved in materialist views of consciousness and science. Not uncommon - hard problem and all that. > > What I find remarkable is the way that if you do simply open a few such questions up, other people immediately start to write their own pet peeves into it. It’s quite paranoid, reminds me of anti-communist paranoia, or even of seeing the devil in every misfortune. I like the irony of supposed hard-headed critical thinkers jumping at every shadow that they think is shaped like “woo”, I half expect them to start splashing holy water around and crossing themselves. It is not my problem that you claim to support science but in the end you do resort to boiler plate defenses of woo, what you have here is also the very old full of woo idea that scientists are like the religious people. Once again Tim Minchin explained it better: [QUOTE] \*\*Storm:\*\* "You're so sure of your position But you're just closed-minded I think you'll find Your faith in science and tests Is just as blind As the faith of any fundamentalist.”" “ **Tim:**"Hmm, that’s a good point, let me think for a bit… Oh wait, my mistake, it’s absolute bullshit. Science adjusts its beliefs based on what’s observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/103 "2015-11-10T14:40:10Z")
[quote=“GIGObuster, post:102, topic:736991”] It is not my problem that you claim to support science but in the end you do resort to boiler plate defenses of woo, what you have here is also the very old full of woo idea that scientists are like the religious people. Once again Tim Minchin explained it better: [/QUOTE] Well you’re throwing the word “woo” around like it really means something. You know there are perfectly good words in dictionaries other than the Urban Dictionary. “woo” is a cult word some bored teenager made up, I’m not in the cult, I don’t follow the cult creed or leaders, and I don’t attend the cult ceremonies. English is my best language try that instead. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/104 "2015-11-10T14:42:31Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Can you explain what this means? How can I forget it if I don’t know what you’re talking about? It is not hard for me to see what he is going for, if there is no good defense or evidence for quantum states that keep us alive after death then the next best thing is to press the idea that the science that is not finding evidence for it should be suspect. It is ok to be skeptic (eternal vigilance and all that) but not to the level that it should demand that the baby should be tossed out with the bathwater. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/105 "2015-11-10T14:44:08Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Well you’re throwing the word “woo” around like it really means something. You know there are perfectly good words in dictionaries other than the Urban Dictionary. “woo” is a cult word some bored teenager made up, I’m not in the cult, I don’t follow the cult creed or leaders, and I don’t attend the cult ceremonies. English is my best language try that instead. And this, by my experience is also like a godwin, you are out of ideas too when you are left only with the option of complaining about the grammar of an opponent. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/106 "2015-11-10T14:47:07Z")
No, MrQwertyasd, you do have to provide a citation. You’re just wasting our time otherwise. What are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/107 "2015-11-10T14:51:19Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It is not hard for me to see what he is going for, if there is no good defense or evidence for quantum states that keep us alive after death then the next best thing is to press the idea that the science that is not finding evidence for it should be suspect. You’re saying that his point is that scientists are in a conspiracy to suppress evidence for consciousness outside of a brain? MrQwertyasd, is that correct? Have you been listening to too much Alex Tsakiris? ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/108 "2015-11-10T14:59:20Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Does anybody else raise their BS shields whenever they see “quantum?” :dubious: “Quantum Leap” was a pretty good show… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/109 "2015-11-10T15:04:22Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > You’re saying that his point is that scientists are in a conspiracy to suppress evidence for consciousness outside of a brain? Well, I can go for that possibility, but I was going for my impression that he is following FUD; Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt to give the impression that science is full of scientists that follow ignorance or self interests too, so he can declare that it is ignorance that prevents them from finding the “truth”. I do think that he is ignoring a lot of evince that points that when science is ignored it is not the scientists the ones that are at fault, the problem is the engineers and the powerful that willfully ignore the warnings of science. Others cannot help to notice the impression that he is leaving them too: Mr. **MrQwertyasd** 🙂 is invited to his roast over here: > **[MrQwertyasd you're an annoying dingbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=774789)** > > Where annoying dingbat stands for whatever unique flavour of snowflaky pseudophilosopher you perceive yourself as. Now wasn’t that a delightful improvement to the world of communication? ... ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/110 "2015-11-10T15:21:39Z")
Why your hatred of engineers? How can anyone claim that scientists are more altruistic than engineers? And in a “how many does it take to change a lightbulb” contest, I’d bet on the engineer… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/111 "2015-11-10T15:29:11Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Well you’re throwing the word “woo” around like it really means something. You know there are perfectly good words in dictionaries other than the Urban Dictionary. “woo” is a cult word some bored teenager made up, I’m not in the cult, I don’t follow the cult creed or leaders, and I don’t attend the cult ceremonies. English is my best language try that instead. “Woo” is a cult word? And what cult would that be? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/112 "2015-11-10T15:35:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “Woo” is a cult word? And what cult would that be? And just to head off any more of your wild reimaginings, the word “woo” was coined by James Randi as slang term for “pseudoscience”. He was an adult at the time, not a teenager, and he didn’t belong to any cult. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/113 "2015-11-10T17:30:23Z")
Kind of a childish word for an adult to coin. Yup, cult like. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/114 "2015-11-10T17:31:34Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Kind of a childish word for an adult to coin. Yup, cult like. WTF? Do you even know the meaning of the word “cult”? ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/115 "2015-11-10T17:34:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt to give the impression that science is full of scientists that follow ignorance or self interests too, Sorry I didn’t realise that science was one great charitable endeavour. I thought it was full of intensely competitive people chasing salaries and often spouting garbage to keep the gravy coming - just like anyone else. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/116 "2015-11-10T17:35:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > WTF? Do you even know the meaning of the word “cult”? I’m afraid I do. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/117 "2015-11-10T17:37:37Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Sorry I didn’t realise that science was one great charitable endeavour. I thought it was full of intensely competitive people chasing salaries and often spouting garbage to keep the gravy coming - just like anyone else. My mistake. Yes, it is. Thank you for acknowledging it as such. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/118 "2015-11-10T17:39:05Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And this, by my experience is also like a godwin, you are out of ideas too when you are left only with the option of complaining about the grammar of an opponent. Your grammar is fine (apart from the occasional dropped capitalisation). That’s not a complaint about grammar. I mean, really, you’re heading for a Dunning-Kruger award here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/119 "2015-11-10T17:39:10Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > I’m afraid I do. Then what is it, according to you? ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991/120 "2015-11-10T17:41:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then what is it, according to you? Very childish question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/website-outerplaces-com-physicists-claim-that-consciousness-lives-in-quantum-state-after-death/736991.md?page=7)