# Webster's Dictionary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 30, 2004, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997 "2004-10-30T07:55:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/1 "2004-10-30T07:55:47Z")
I’ve always been under the impression that a Webster’s Dictionary was one from the Merriam-Webster company and that their name brand was trademarked somehow. But then I noticed a cheap knock-off dictionary. It was by some little company I’d never heard of but it was labeled “Webster’s Dictionary.” I thought okay, clever marketing ploy… It’s the dictionary of Webster (since you can’t copyright someone’s name) and fools who buy it thinking they’re getting a Merriam-Webster dictionary for a great price are just fools, since it’s very obviously not from M-W. But today I see another dictionary (not a cheap knockoff) and it’s a Random House Webster’s Dictionary. Random House is a big company and would presumably not engage in deceptive marketing. So what’s the dope on Webster and dictionaries? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/2 "2004-10-30T09:04:18Z")
Webster was just, like, this guy, you know? [Noah Webster](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster) published his first dictionary with his new-fangled spellings of things around 1800. Since then, pretty much anyone who has published a dictionary containing American-style spellings has called it Webster’s. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/3 "2004-10-30T09:29:45Z")
Are you sure you can’t copyright a name? I mean, McDonald is a name. There’s this old guy named that…I hear he has a farm of some sort. Disney is a name. Ford is a name. DeLorean is a name. Etc. I think the term is “trademark” anyhow, but are you sure you can’t trademark a name? I don’t think I could change my name to Disney and start making pornographic cartoons. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/4 "2004-10-30T12:16:06Z")
AAIK, **friedo** is on the right track and no one owns the name “Webster” as a trademark. “Merriam-Webster” sounds like a trademark, but not just “Webster.” He was, as **friedo** said, the famous American[lexicographer.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster) A similar situation is [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roget%27s\_Thesaurus]“Roget’s Thesaurus.” [/quote] The original Roget’s thesaurus is now in the public domain, and AFAICT the name “Roget’s” is not a trademark any more. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/5 "2004-10-30T12:52:28Z")
Noah Webster compiled “A Dictionary of the American Language” in the early 1800s. It and successive editions came to be regarded as the definitive dictionaries of American English. After his copyright (if he ever got one, which I believe he did) expired, calling one’s publication “Webster’s Dictionary” was akin to terming one’s book “The Official Guide to…” when the only thing official about it is the second word of the title – it added cachet but meant nothing substantive. The G. & C. Merriam Co. bought the rights to the Webster publications, and continues to put out one of the most authoritative American dictionaries. Lexicographers Thorndyke and Barnhart brought out a scholastic-level dictionary that has over the last 60 years gained some authoritative status. Publishers Random House in the 1960s compiled and brought out unabridged and abridged dictionaries of near equal repute with the Merriam-Webster franchise. And World Publishing of Cleveland OH had a series of “New World Dictionaries” that were regarded as reputable, if with not quite the clout of the M-W and RH publications. The OED, of course, continues to be **the** authority across the English-speaking world, but with the leading American dictionaries in reputation, AFAIK, being the products of the four firms above. ---
**Author:** ![daffyduck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ec9cab/32.png) [@daffyduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/daffyduck)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/6 "2004-10-30T13:51:31Z")
[The Merriam-Webster website](http://www.m-w.com/info/faq.htm) addresses this question. Are all Webster’s dictionaries alike? No. After Noah Webster’s death in 1843 and throughout the 19th century, Merriam-Webster produced the finest American dictionaries, building the reputation of the name “Webster’s” to a point where it became a byword for quality dictionaries. But in the late 1800s and early 1900s, legal difficulties concerning the copyright and trademark of the name Webster arose, and eventually many different publishers—some rather unscrupulous—began putting dictionaries on the market under the Webster’s name. ---
**Author:** ![yabob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yabob/32/2821_2.png) [@yabob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yabob)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/7 "2004-10-30T14:37:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Since then, pretty much anyone who has published a dictionary containing American-style spellings has called it Webster’s. > [@](#): > > The G. & C. Merriam Co. bought the rights to the Webster publications, and continues to put out one of the most authoritative American dictionaries. Lexicographers Thorndyke and Barnhart brought out a scholastic-level dictionary that has over the last 60 years gained some authoritative status. Publishers Random House in the 1960s compiled and brought out unabridged and abridged dictionaries of near equal repute with the Merriam-Webster franchise. And World Publishing of Cleveland OH had a series of “New World Dictionaries” that were regarded as reputable, if with not quite the clout of the M-W and RH publications. I thought the AHD was reputable. It’s not named “Webster’s”, and it’s published by Houghton-Mifflin, so it doesn’t seem to be a member of **Polycarp** ’s list. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/8 "2004-10-30T14:41:04Z")
> [@yabob](#): > > I thought the AHD was reputable. It’s not named “Webster’s”, and it’s published by Houghton-Mifflin, so it doesn’t seem to be a member of **Polycarp** ’s list. It ought to have been. Good catch; thanks! 🙂 (American Heritage Dictionary, for those who don’t do TLAs well.) ---
**Author:** ![yabob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yabob/32/2821_2.png) [@yabob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yabob)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/9 "2004-10-30T15:20:44Z")
Good. I would hate to think that I customarily used a dictionary of ill repute. I did discover that it’s a comparitive upstart - first published in 1969 in response to criticisms of Webster’s Third, published in 1961. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/10 "2004-10-30T19:23:54Z")
> [@yabob](#): > > Good. I would hate to think that I customarily used a dictionary of ill repute. I did discover that it’s a comparitive upstart - first published in 1969 in response to criticisms of Webster’s Third, published in 1961. New, maybe, but its usage notes are second to none, which is why I use it. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/websters-dictionary/271997/11 "2004-10-30T19:39:22Z")
> [@yabob](#): > > … a dictionary of ill repute… There is a book in New Or-leeens That’s called the A. H. D. And it’s been the ruin of many a poor lexicographer… 😉