# Week 12 CFB -- Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose? **URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644 **Category:** The Game Room **Created:** [November 15, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644 "2015-11-15T20:30:44Z") **Posts on this page:** 20 **Page:** 1
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 15, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/1 "2015-11-15T20:30:44Z")
======================================================================= > **[NCAA College Football Rankings: AP Top 25 Football Poll | AP News](https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-football-poll)** > > Georgia, Michigan, TCU and Ohio State were the top four in the final Associated Press college football poll of the regular season. The AP Top 25 Poll Week 12 ```auto 1 Clemson ACC Record: 10-0 v 2 Ohio State Big Ten Record: 10-0 @@@ 3 Alabama SEC Record: 9-1 v 4 Oklahoma State Big 12 Record: 10-0 ### 5 Notre Dame Division I FBS Independents Record: 9-1 v 6 Iowa Big Ten Record: 10-0 v 7 Oklahoma Big 12 Record: 9-1 $$$ 8 Florida SEC Record: 9-1 v 9 Michigan State Big Ten Record: 9-1 @@@ 10 Baylor Big 12 Record: 8-1 ### 11 TCU Big 12 Record: 9-1 $$$ 12 North Carolina ACC Record: 9-1 v 13 Houston The American Record: 10-0 v 14 Michigan Big Ten Record: 8-2 v 15 Stanford Pac-12 Record: 8-2 v 16 Florida State ACC Record: 8-2 v 17 LSU SEC Record: 7-2 *** 18 Utah Pac-12 Record: 8-2 v 19 Navy The American Record: 8-1 v 20 Northwestern Big Ten Record: 8-2 %%% 21 Wisconsin Big Ten Record: 8-2 %%% 22 USC Pac-12 Record: 7-3 &&& 23 Oregon Pac-12 Record: 7-3 &&& 24 Washington State Pac-12 Record: 7-3 v 25 Mississippi SEC Record: 7-3 *** ``` ================================================================= ================================================================================= > **[NCAAF College Football Scores & Game Results - Yahoo Sports](https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/scoreboard/?conf=fbs_all&week=12)** > > Sports News, Scores, Fantasy Games NCAAF Scores & Schedule All FBS Weeks: 12 — Saturday, November 21 12:00 PM EST (12) N. Carolina @ Virginia Tech 12:00 PM EST ESP2 Purdue @ (6) Iowa 12:00 PM EST ABC (14) Michigan @ Penn St. 12:00 PM EST SECN Florida Atlantic @ (8) Florida 3:00 PM EST ESP3, CHSS Chattanooga @ (16) Florida St. 3:30 PM EST Wake Forest @ (1) Clemson 3:30 PM EST ABC (9) Michigan St. @ (2) Ohio St. — @@@ 3:30 PM EST BTN, BTN2 (20) Northwestern @ (21) Wisconsin — %%% 3:30 PM EST CBS (17) LSU @ (25) Mississippi — \*\*\* 3:30 PM EST FOX UCLA @ (18) Utah 3:30 PM EST ESPU (13) Houston @ Connecticut 3:30 PM EST ESPN (22) USC @ (23) Oregon — &&& 5:00 PM EST SECN Charleston Sou. @ (3) Alabama 7:00 PM EST CBSS (19) Navy @ Tulsa 7:30 PM EST NBCS (5) Notre Dame @ Boston Coll. 7:30 PM EST FOX (10) Baylor @ (4) Oklahoma St. — ### 8:00 PM EST ABC (11) TCU @ (7) Oklahoma — $$$ 10:30 PM EST ESPN California @ (15) Stanford 10:45 PM EST ESP2 Colorado @ (24) Washington St. ======================================================================= \*\*@@@, ###, $$$, %%%, &&&, \*\*\*\*\* = Two Top 25 teams are playing each other You must pick **one** to comply with these rules: * * * Scoring for this week’s poll is as follows: 1. Pick a team to LOSE and they LOSE – **+1 point** 2. Pick a team to LOSE and they WIN – **-1 point** 3. Fail to pick a LOSER in a game involving two Top 25 teams – **-1 point** (two Top 25 teams playing – one must lose) 4. Pick both teams to LOSE in a game involving two Top 25 teams – **-1 point** (two Top 25 teams playing – one must lose) * * * **Last WEEK’s thread/poll:** > **[Week 11 CFB -- Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=774642)** > > The AP Top 25 Poll Week 11 1 Clemson ACC Record: 9-0 v 2 Ohio State Big Ten Record: 9-0 v 3 Alabama SEC Record: 8-1 $$$ 4 Baylor ... Week 11 CFB – Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose? 11-08-2015, 03:08 PM Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 15 ========================= **Last YEAR Same WEEK’s thread/poll:** > **[Week 12 CFB -- Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=740321)** > > =================================================================================== Scoring for this week’s poll is as follows: Pick a team to LOSE and they LOSE – +1 point Pick a team to LOSE and they WIN – -1 point Fail to pick a LOSER in... Week 12 CFB – Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose? 11-09-2014, 04:29 PM Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 19 ================================================================================= ---
### Author: ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine) #### Post date: [November 15, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/2 "2015-11-15T22:46:09Z")
I’m pretty sure I am going to be negative this week. I have very little confidence with any of my picks. ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/3 "2015-11-16T00:23:12Z")
Early Votes: ```auto ================================================================================================================================================================================================ @@@ ### $$$ @@@ ### $$$ ***%%% %%% &&& &&&*** Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis ================================================================================================================================================================== basset hound 6 OHSt OKState TCU NWest Oreg Missis Kitten Mitten 5 OHSt Bama () Bayl () Mich FLState () () () () () () Wolverine 6 Okla MichSt Bayl NWest USC Missis Zeldar 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis ================================================================================================================================================================== Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis ==================================================================================================================================================================== 4 23 0 2 1 2 0 0 1 0 2 2 2 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 3 0 1 2 0 3 /23 ================================================================================================================================================================================================== Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 4 =================================== ``` ---
### Author: ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/4 "2015-11-16T04:02:38Z")
Talk about a great weekend for football. I really want to pick LSU to continue their slide but Mississippi just isn’t good. ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/5 "2015-11-16T04:07:01Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Talk about a great weekend for football. I really want to pick LSU to continue their slide but Mississippi just isn’t good. What’s interesting to me is how there’s a pretty much even blend of slugfests and snoozers. Glorified byes for some, season-enders for others. ---
### Author: ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/6 "2015-11-16T04:18:49Z")
Missed a pick in Baylor - OKST. Oklahoma State to lose. ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/7 "2015-11-16T05:23:27Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > Missed a pick in Baylor - OKST. Oklahoma State to lose. Thanks! I fixed it. ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/8 "2015-11-16T13:23:13Z")
Monday Update: ```auto ================================================================================================================================================================================================ @@@ ### $$$ @@@ ### $$$ ***%%% %%% &&& &&&*** Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis ================================================================================================================================================================== basset hound 6 OHSt OKState TCU NWest Oreg Missis DinoR (7) OHSt (OKState) TCU Mich LSU NWest USC Kitten Mitten 5 OHSt Bama () Bayl () Mich FLState () () () () () () Nauplius 6 OKState MichSt TCU Wisc USC Missis Oredigger77 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis Wolverine 6 Okla MichSt Bayl NWest USC Missis Zeldar 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis ================================================================================================================================================================== Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis ==================================================================================================================================================================== 7 (42) 0 3 1 (5) 0 0 1 0 4 2 5 0 0 2 0 1 1 0 0 5 1 3 3 0 5 /(42) ================================================================================================================================================================================================== Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 7 =================================== ``` ---
### Author: ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/9 "2015-11-16T15:29:24Z")
I missed the same pick with the same outcome as **DinoR**. ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/10 "2015-11-16T16:03:17Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I missed the same pick with the same outcome as **DinoR**. I’m putting you down for (OKState) and hope that’s what you meant. 🙂 ---
### Author: ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/11 "2015-11-16T16:13:05Z")
I also missed the Baylor/OKState match up, but I am picking Baylor to lose. Alabama needs to be dropped from the Top 4 just for scheduling Charleston Southern in week 11. Play your cupcakes at the start of the season like everybody else. ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/12 "2015-11-16T17:47:44Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > … > > Alabama needs to be dropped from the Top 4 just for scheduling Charleston Southern in week 11. Play your cupcakes at the start of the season like everybody else. I made a comment to this effect above. But Bama is not the only offender in the “cupcake” arena. Consider the out-of-balance nature of these matchups: ```auto Florida Atlantic @ (8) Florida Wake Forest @ (1) Clemson Chattanooga @ (16) Florida St. Purdue @ (6) Iowa (5) Notre Dame @ Boston Coll. (19) Navy @ Tulsa ``` I see these scheduling tactics as ways to avoid another off week but still providing a rest for the stronger teams. ---
### Author: ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer) #### Post date: [November 16, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/13 "2015-11-16T21:38:25Z")
Complaining about Iowa vs Purdue and Wake vs Clemson? Those are major conference games. Are good teams supposed to avoid playing their in-conference rivals when they’re having a down year? ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 17, 2015, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/14 "2015-11-17T12:02:30Z")
Tuesday Morning Update: ```auto ================================================================================================================================================================================================ @@@ ### $$$ @@@ ### $$$ ***%%% %%% &&& &&&*** Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis ================================================================================================================================================================== basset hound 6 OHSt OKState TCU NWest Oreg Missis BobLibDem 10 OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Okla Flor Mich LSU Wisc Oreg Death of Rats (6) MichSt (Bayl) TCU LSU NWest Oreg DinoR (7) OHSt (OKState) TCU Mich LSU NWest USC DMC (6) (OKState) MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis Kitten Mitten 5 OHSt Bama () Bayl () Mich FLState () () () () () () Nauplius 6 OKState MichSt TCU Wisc USC Missis Oredigger77 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis txtumbleweed 7 OHSt OKState Okla Mich LSU NWest USC Wolverine 6 Okla MichSt Bayl NWest USC Missis Zeldar 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis Zyanthia 6 OKState Okla MichSt NWest Oreg Missis ================================================================================================================================================================== Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis ======================================================================================================================================================================= 12 (77) 0 5 2 (9) 1 0 4 1 7 (3) 7 0 0 4 0 1 4 0 0 9 2 4 7 0 7 /(77) ===================================================================================================================================================================================================== Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 12 =================================== ``` ---
### Author: ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77) #### Post date: [November 17, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/15 "2015-11-17T20:41:38Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > Complaining about Iowa vs Purdue and Wake vs Clemson? Those are major conference games. Are good teams supposed to avoid playing their in-conference rivals when they’re having a down year? I’d add Irish/BC to that list the major Catholic schools have to play each year otherwise their fan bases will riot. ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 17, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/16 "2015-11-17T20:56:34Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I also missed the Baylor/OKState match up, but I am picking Baylor to lose. > > Alabama needs to be dropped from the Top 4 just for scheduling Charleston Southern in week 11. Play your cupcakes at the start of the season like everybody else. > [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > Complaining about Iowa vs Purdue and Wake vs Clemson? Those are major conference games. Are good teams supposed to avoid playing their in-conference rivals when they’re having a down year? > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I’d add Irish/BC to that list the major Catholic schools have to play each year otherwise their fan bases will riot. The main point I was trying to assert is that “creampuffs” abound in even the Power 5 conferences as can be seen at [College Football Ratings Page](http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm) (look down the page for the Conference Rankings) where there are hardly any exceptions to the notion that even within the same conference (and even division) there are the low hanging fruit for the big guys to nibble on. Picking OOC examples just doesn’t complete the picture, to my way of thinking. ---
### Author: ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin) #### Post date: [November 18, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/17 "2015-11-18T14:51:45Z")
Who do you like in a BC vs. Charleston Southern matchup? There’s no comparison. ---
### Author: ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster) #### Post date: [November 18, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/18 "2015-11-18T19:14:25Z")
Going with Michigan St., Baylor, TCU, LSU, Northwestern, and the left coast USC to lose this week. ---
### Author: ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar) #### Post date: [November 18, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/19 "2015-11-18T23:28:52Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Who do you like in a BC vs. Charleston Southern matchup? There’s no comparison. Knowing no more than I do about either team, I’d look to Sagarin and expect Charleston Southern to lose by at least 10 points. UPDATE TIME: ```auto ================================================================================================================================================================================================ @@@ ### $$$ @@@ ### $$$ ***%%% %%% &&& &&&*** Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis ================================================================================================================================================================== Barkis is Willin' 7 OHSt OKState Okla Utah NWest Oreg Missis basset hound 6 OHSt OKState TCU NWest Oreg Missis BigAppleBucky 8 OKState NotDam MichSt TCU Mich LSU NWest Oreg BobLibDem 10 OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Okla Flor Mich LSU Wisc Oreg Death of Rats (6) MichSt (Bayl) TCU LSU NWest Oreg DinoR (7) OHSt (OKState) TCU Mich LSU NWest USC DMC (6) (OKState) MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis Jackmannii 6 () OKState () () () NorCar Navy NWest USC Missis Kitten Mitten 5 OHSt Bama () Bayl () Mich FLState () () () () () () Nauplius 6 OKState MichSt TCU Wisc USC Missis Oakminster 6 MichSt Bayl TCU LSU NWest USC Oredigger77 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis txtumbleweed 7 OHSt OKState Okla Mich LSU NWest USC Wolverine 6 Okla MichSt Bayl NWest USC Missis Zeldar 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis Zyanthia 6 OKState Okla MichSt NWest Oreg Missis ================================================================================================================================================================== Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis ======================================================================================================================================================================= 16 (104) 0 6 2 (12) 2 0 5 1 9 (4) 9 1 0 5 0 1 6 1 1 13 2 6 9 0 9 /(104) ===================================================================================================================================================================================================== Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 16 =================================== ``` \*\* Please note the “()” markers. These will get -1 points per pair unless I get notified of a pick for LOSER in each pair.\*\* ---
### Author: ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin) #### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644/20 "2015-11-19T14:07:43Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > Knowing no more than I do about either team, I’d look to Sagarin and expect Charleston Southern to lose by at least 10 points. Right. You can’t lump P5 teams in with the true cupcakes of the world. BC, Wake Forest and the bottom dwellers of the P5 conferences are still miles better than the best of the FCS programs, no matter what Nick Saban would have you think. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-12-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/737644.md?page=2)