# Week 13 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 17, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124 "2013-11-17T17:14:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/21 "2013-11-24T03:15:03Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Well, I wouldn’t give **Duckster** too much credit. He picked pretty much everybody. In the cumulative scoring the Oregon pick is washed out by his Stanford and Ohio State picks. Normally I don’t play. But the Oregon Ducks fair weather fan club is is one of the worst around. So I just stand on principle and vote against them. Ohio State I can never support. If Baylor goes on to lose, that one was just plain luck. ---
**Author:** ![RetroVertigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@RetroVertigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetroVertigo)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/22 "2013-11-24T04:26:40Z")
MIZ! Ole Miss going to lose both the game and the party. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/23 "2013-11-24T05:04:20Z")
Here’s how we ended up: ```auto =============================================================== No. 7 Clemson 52, Citadel 6 No. 1 Alabama 49, Chattanooga 0 No. 3 Ohio State 42, Indiana 14 Arizona 42, No. 5 Oregon 16 No. 22 LSU 34, No. 12 Texas A&M 10 No. 9 Stanford 63, California 13 No. 2 Florida State 80, Idaho 14 No. 8 Missouri 24, No. 24 Ole Miss 10 No. 10 Oklahoma State 49, No. 4 Baylor 17 =============================================================== ``` ```auto =============================================================== Baylor Oregon Texas A&M ========================= Duckster 3/6 Baylor Oregon Texas A&M astorian 2/2 Baylor Texas A&M Death of Rats 2/2 Baylor Texas A&M Snowboarder Bo 2/2 Baylor Texas A&M armedmonkey 2/3 Baylor Texas A&M Nauplius 2/3 Baylor Texas A&M Oakminster 2/3 Baylor Texas A&M Wolverine 2/3 Baylor Texas A&M RetroVertigo 1/1 Baylor R. P. McMurphy 1/2 Texas A&M Zakalwe 1/(2) (Texas A&M) Zeldar 1/2 Texas A&M MadTheSwine 1/3 Texas A&M Munch 0/1 Oredigger77 0/1 ======================= ================================ 15 22/36 9 1 (12) 22/36 =============================================================== ``` ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/24 "2013-11-24T05:07:41Z")
Shouldn’t anyone that missed Oregon losing (everyone except Duckster) have it counted as a missed pick as well? i.e. I should be 2/4 not 2/3. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/25 "2013-11-24T05:18:59Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > Shouldn’t anyone that missed Oregon losing (everyone except Duckster) have it counted as a missed pick as well? i.e. I should be 2/4 not 2/3. Interesting point. We’d have to go back to the Week 5 scores to make it right for **armedmonkey** ’s scoring. Maybe next year we can be more particular about that. The way the polls work, it would take some manual adjusting, I think. Every game would have to be marked (for the Top Ten teams anyway) as a W or an L. And everybody would have to make their votes on that basis. Maybe we can come up with a better approach. Ideas? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/26 "2013-11-24T12:13:04Z")
Hey now, my scoring system may be imperfect and cobbled together on the fly, but it still makes more sense than the BCS. 😉 End of week 13 totals. Cumulative scoring. 1pt awarded for each correct pick. 1/2 pt deducted for each incorrect pick 7.5 pts: \*\* Oakminster \*\* 7 pts: \*\*Wolverine \*\* 6.5 pts: _\<\<\\>\>_ 6 pts: **armedmonkey** 5.5 pts: **astorian, Zakalwe** 5 pts: **Munch, R.P. Murphy, Snowboarder Bo** 4.5 pts: _\<\<\\>\>_ 4 pts: **death of rats** 3.5 pts: \*\*Zeldar \*\* 3 ps: **Labrador Deceiver, LuckyNumber85, Oredigger77, Sterling Archer** 2.5 pts \*\*markdash, RetroVertigo, \*\* 2 pts: **bump, yellowjacketcoder, willia4** 1.5 pts: \*\* jsc1953, Rucksinator\*\* 1 pt: **BigAppleBucky, Chargerrich, Duckster, Fred Garvin, janeslogin, Jimmy Chitwood, Naupilus, Omar Little, Really Not All That Bright, Rex Goliath, Rudiger Simpson, The Universe Lashes Out, zoog** 0.5 pt: **DMC, lieu, nate, tonyfop** 0 pts: **Accidental Martyr, basset hound, furt, Johnny Bravo, NicorGasMan, Quintas, racer72, skammer, Tazmanian Devil, zamboniracer** -0.5 pts: _\<\<\\>\>_ -1 pts: **BobLibDem** ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/27 "2013-11-24T13:11:01Z")
Well, on the plus side, I nailed two upsets that weren’t REALLY huge upsets at all. But I never saw the Oregon meltdown coming- I expected them to bounce back strong after Stanford. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/28 "2013-11-24T13:43:43Z")
Just in case others have a serious interest in improving participation, scoring or whatever in these threads on CFB, I’ve collected the bare-bones data of all the ones I started this year. Maybe a separate thread for discussion? If so, this can be moved there. But until then, enjoy: ======================================== > **[Week 1 CFB -- Who stays in the AP Top Ten?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=700540)** > > From http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/polls AP Top 25 Alabama Ohio St. Oregon Stanford (idle) Georgia South Carolina Texas A&M Clemson Louisville Florida http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/scoreboard Scheduled games: Week: 1... View Poll Results: Week 1 CFB – Who stays in the AP Top Ten? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 16 > **[Week 2 CFB -- Who stays in the AP Top Ten?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=701254)** > > From http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/polls AP Top 25 Alabama Oregon Ohio St. Clemson Stanford South Carolina Texas A&M Louisville LSU Florida St. From http://espn.go.com/college-football/schedule 2013 NCAA Division I-A Football... View Poll Results: Week 2 CFB – Who stays in the AP Top Ten? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 9 > **[Week 3 CFB -- Who stays in the AP Top Ten?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=701736)** > > From http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/polls AP Top 25 1.Alabama 2.Oregon 3.Clemson 4.Ohio St. 5.Stanford 6.Texas A&M 7.Louisville 8.LSU 9.Georgia 10.Florida St. From http://espn.go.com/college-football/schedule/\_/week/3 ... View Poll Results: Week 3 CFB – Who stays in the AP Top Ten? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 9 > **[No Poll -- CFB Week 4 Top Ten discussion](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=702385)** > > After Week 3’s lack of surprises, and seeing the Week 4 schedule for Top Ten teams, does anybody see anything worth getting excited about? Thursday, September 19 7:30 PM (3) Clemson at North Carolina State Saturday,... No Poll – CFB Week 4 Top Ten discussion Total Posts: 8 Zeldar 3 BobLibDem 2 Ike Witt 1 Oakminster 1 Zakalwe 1 > **[Week 5 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=702953)** > > This is NOT which teams will stay in the Top Ten, but which team(s) will LOSE their game(s). The Top Ten AP (from http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/polls ): 1.Alabama 2.Oregon 3.Clemson 4.Ohio St. 5.Stanford 6.LSU 7.Louisville (idle this... View Poll Results: Week 5 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 10 > **[Week 6 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? \<\< Corrected Poll...](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=703481)** > > AP Top 10 Alabama Oregon Clemson Ohio St. Stanford Georgia Louisville (idle) Florida St. Texas A&M (idle) LSU Their schedule: Code: 2013 NCAA Division I-A Football Schedule - Week 6 Saturday, October 5 12:00 PM (25) Maryland ... View Poll Results: Week 6 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 15 > **[Week 7 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=704079)** > > AP Top 25 Alabama Oregon Clemson Ohio St. (idle) Stanford Florida St. (idle) Georgia Louisville Texas A&M LSU UCLA Oklahoma Miami (FL) South Carolina Baylor Washington Florida Michigan 19... View Poll Results: Week 7 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 19 > **[Week 8 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=704775)** > > Rankings: Week 8 AP Top 25 1.Alabama 2.Oregon 3.Clemson 4.Ohio St. 5.Florida St. 6.LSU 7.Texas A&M 8.Louisville 9.UCLA 10.Miami (FL) 2013 NCAA Division I-A Football Schedule - Week 8 Group:FBS (Division I-A) Thursday, October 17 ... View Poll Results: Week 8 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 18 > **[Week 9 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=705440)** > > AP Top 25 Alabama Oregon Florida St. Ohio St. Missouri Baylor Miami (FL) Stanford Clemson Texas Tech Auburn UCLA LSU Texas A&M Fresno St. Virginia Tech Oklahoma Louisville Oklahoma St. South Carolina UCF Wisconsin (idle) Northern Illinois... View Poll Results: Week 9 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 21 > **[Week 10 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=706149)** > > AP Top 25 Alabama (idle) Oregon (idle) Florida St. Ohio St. Baylor (idle) Stanford (idle) Miami (FL) Auburn Clemson Missouri LSU (idle) Texas A&M Oklahoma (idle) South Carolina Texas Tech Fresno St.... View Poll Results: Week 10 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17 > **[Week 11 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=706813)** > > AP Top 25 1. Alabama 2. Oregon 3. Florida St. 4. Ohio St. (idle) 5. Baylor 6. Stanford 7. Auburn 8. Clemson (idle) 9. Missouri 10. LSU 11. Texas A&M 12. Oklahoma 13. South Carolina (idle) 14. Miami (FL) 15. Oklahoma St. 16. UCLA 17.... View Poll Results: Week 11 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 18 > **[Week 12 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=707451)** > > AP Top 25 1. Alabama 2. Florida St. 3. Ohio St. 4. Baylor 5. Stanford 6. Oregon 7. Auburn 8. Clemson 9. Missouri (idle) 10. Texas A&M (idle) 11. South Carolina 12. Oklahoma St. 13. UCLA 14. Michigan St. 15. UCF... View Poll Results: Week 12 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 20 > **[Week 12 CFB -- Which FBS team(s) will become bowl eligible this week?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=707705)** > > It’s getting down to the wire for schools wanting to play in a bowl this season. See this link for a rundown of the entire situation. Maybe we can have a little fun picking who may turn the corner this week. Here’s the field: Teams that need one... View Poll Results: Week 12 CFB – Which FBS team(s) will become bowl eligible this week? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 5 > **[Who takes The College Football Belt away from Baylor?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=703138)** > > Just over a year ago we played Who will take the College Football Belt from WVU? and since that time here’s where it’s been: Champion Successful Defenses Date Belt Won Date Belt Lost Baylor 6 11/17/2012 ... View Poll Results: Who takes The College Football Belt away from Baylor? Voters: 8 > **[Week 13 CFB -- Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=708029)** > > AP Top 25: Week 13 Records through Sat Nov 16, 2013. AP Top 25 Alabama Florida St. Baylor Ohio St. Oregon Auburn (idle) Clemson Missouri Texas A&M Stanford Oklahoma St. South Carolina Michigan St. UCLA ... View Poll Results: Week 13 CFB – Which AP Top Ten team(s) will lose? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 15 > **[Week 13 CFB -- Which FBS team(s) will become bowl eligible this week?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=708125)** > > See 2013 Bowl Eligible Teams for the full story. The week’s picture: Teams that need one more win (10) Colorado State (6-5) Sat 3:30 PM Colorado State at Utah State - Plays 13 games, so needs 7 wins. North Carolina (5-5) Sat 12:00 PM... View Poll Results: Week 13 CFB – Which FBS team(s) will become bowl eligible this week? Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 9 ======================================== ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/29 "2013-11-24T22:16:36Z")
I would suggest the following: Pick a team to lose and they lose: +1pt Don’t pick a team to lose and they don’t lose: +.5pt Pick a team to lose and they don’t lose: -1pt Don’t pick a team to lose and they lose: -.5pt The only problem I see with this is where the matchup is T10. It’s a double punishment if you pick the wrong team. Not sure how to resolve that. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/30 "2013-11-26T07:38:59Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > I would suggest the following: > > Pick a team to lose and they lose: +1pt > Don’t pick a team to lose and they don’t lose: +.5pt > > Pick a team to lose and they don’t lose: -1pt > Don’t pick a team to lose and they lose: -.5pt > > The only problem I see with this is where the matchup is T10. It’s a double punishment if you pick the wrong team. Not sure how to resolve that. I like the spirit of that scoring. If we treat the individual’s slate of picks as x-many losses and y-many wins (with the wins being assumed from the ones not picked) then a simple plus-one point for each correct pick and a minus-one point for each wrong pick should give a net score (plus or minus) that ought to work even when the teams may play one another from the Top Ten. Simple example: Team-A beats Team-B (both T10) – Team-C wins – Team-D loses – Team-E wins Player-A picks A to lose and E to lose (implied: B, C, D to win) Score for Player-A: A -1 B -1 C +1 D -1 E -1 Total for Player-A = -3 with the only plus point coming from a non-vote. Perhaps other scenarios would show a flaw in this approach, but if everybody realizes that a non-pick implies a Win for that team, at least we’d all know how the scoring was going to work. Non-votes would matter then. More ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124/31 "2013-11-26T14:04:35Z")
One additional major point I should have made and which should be the primary issue: The fundamental assumption is that by being in the Top Ten a team is expected to WIN. The simplified poll choices are to mark the exceptions to that underlying assumption. So, don’t pick to LOSE = pick to WIN. Pick correctly, get +1 point; pick wrong, get -1 point. That’s where the focus should be, IMHO. If we can agree to that basic reasoning, the particulars of scoring ought to be easy enough, I would hope. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-13-cfb-which-ap-top-ten-team-s-will-lose/674124.md?page=1)