# Week 2 CFB -- Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [September 2, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282 "2014-09-02T19:16:15Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/1 "2014-09-02T19:16:15Z")

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Please see [Week 1 CFB – Which BCS Top 25 team(s) will lose? — \<\< corrected poll \>\>](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=729500) – especially starting at Post #25 (08-20-2014, 08:53 AM) – for background information.

Source data for this thread:

> **[NCAA College Football Rankings: AP Top 25 Football Poll | AP News](https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-football-poll)**
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> Georgia, Michigan, TCU and Ohio State were the top four in the final Associated Press college football poll of the regular season.

> **[NCAAF College Football Scores & Game Results - Yahoo Sports](https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/scoreboard/)**
>
> Sports News, Scores, Fantasy Games

```auto

AP Top 25 

NCAAF Scores & Schedule
Top 25 FBS

Weeks: 2

Saturday, September 6 

12:00 PM EDT (20) Kansas St. @ Iowa St. 
12:00 PM EDT (24) Missouri @ Toledo 
12:00 PM EDT (4) Oklahoma @ Tulsa 
12:00 PM EDT Western Ill. @ (18) Wisconsin 
12:00 PM EDT McNeese St. @ (19) Nebraska 
12:00 PM EDT Florida Atlantic @ (2) Alabama 
12:30 PM EDT S. Carolina St. @ (23) Clemson 
 3:30 PM EDT (14) USC @ (13) Stanford <<<
 4:30 PM EDT (15) Mississippi @ Vanderbilt 
 6:30 PM EDT (7) Michigan St. @ (3) Oregon <<< 
 7:00 PM EDT San Jose St. @ (5) Auburn
 7:00 PM EDT (17) Arizona St. @ New Mexico 
 7:00 PM EDT East Carolina @ (21) South Carolina  
 7:00 PM EDT Murray St. @ (25) Louisville  
 7:30 PM EDT Michigan @ (16) Notre Dame 
 7:30 PM EDT Citadel @ (1) Florida St.
 7:30 PM EDT N'western St. @ (10) Baylor 
 7:30 PM EDT Sam Houston St. @ (12) LSU 
 7:30 PM EDT Lamar @ (9) Texas A&M 
 8:00 PM EDT Virginia Tech @ (8) Ohio St. 
 8:00 PM EDT S. Diego St. @ (21) N. Carolina 
10:00 PM EDT Memphis @ (11) UCLA

<<< = 2 Top 25 teams playing

&&&& NOTE &&&&

(6) Georgia -- Sat, Sept 13 @ South Carolina 3:30 PM ET CBS  

```

Scoring will be:

1. You pick a team to lose, and they lose, +1 pt.

2. You pick a team to lose, and they win, -1 pt.

3. If you skip ranked vs. ranked (pick neither), -1 pt.

4. If you miss a loss, no points deducted.

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Multiple choice poll on the way…

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/2 "2014-09-02T19:25:35Z")

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Even though the poll says

> [@](#):
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> This poll will close on 09-06-2014 at 02:21 PM

I will stop keeping track of any late votes after 11:00 AM CDT (Noon EDT) Saturday.

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**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/3 "2014-09-02T21:06:34Z")

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I got Oregon (major upset), and both USCs…the real one in the SEC, and that other one out west.

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**Author:** ![RetroVertigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@RetroVertigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetroVertigo)\
**Post date:** [September 2, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/4 "2014-09-02T21:58:57Z")

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Sparty  
USC  
USCjr

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/5 "2014-09-03T00:48:42Z")

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While I _know_ it’s a bit early to rely on Sagarin’s numbers, it’s fun while I’m getting my own feel for where teams are in terms of strengths. They helped me choose a couple of “upsets” with Toledo and Va Tech. It’s time for Beamer to unleash the dogs of war!

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/6 "2014-09-03T16:40:44Z")

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I’ll make my picks later today, but I went ahead and scored out the first week:

```auto

Oakminster 4
Doctor Who 2
Frosted Glass 2
Nauplius 2
Snupzilla 2
USCDiver 2
astorian 1
bump 1
doverpro 1
JohnT 1
Mince 1
Really Not All That Bright 1
Snowboarder Bo 1
Wolverine 1
Zakalwe 1
basset hound 0
Pai325 0
Sterling Archer 0
Zeldar 0
jsc1953 -1
LonghornDave -1
susan -1
Typo Negative -1
Zyanthia -1
BobLibDem -3

```

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/7 "2014-09-03T16:59:05Z")

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Sorry! I forgot about -1 for failing to pick a Top25/Top25 matchup. Corrected scores are below:

```auto

Oakminster 4
Doctor Who 2
Frosted Glass 2
Nauplius 2
Snupzilla 2
USCDiver 2
doverpro 1
Mince 1
Really Not All That Bright 1
Snowboarder Bo 1
Wolverine 1
Zakalwe 1
astorian 0
basset hound 0
JohnT 0
Sterling Archer 0
Zeldar 0
bump -1
LonghornDave -1
Pai325 -1
Zyanthia -1
jsc1953 -3
Typo Negative -3
susan -4
BobLibDem -5

```

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**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/8 "2014-09-03T17:00:48Z")

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I have a question. Washington was ranked #25 last week, and won, but fell off the poll anyway. Do these polls follow any rules?

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/9 "2014-09-03T17:15:48Z")

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> [@Zyanthia](#):
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> I have a question. Washington was ranked #25 last week, and won, but fell off the poll anyway. Do these polls follow any rules?

If they do, they aren’t out in plain sight that I have seen. My understanding (limited, for sure) is that the published rankings are composites derived from the lists provided by the contributors. As such, the individual rankings by contributor vary based on the whims and “analysis” of that individual. There does appear to be strong bias to “what we said last time” so that the up and down movement of a particular team’s ranking tends to stay near where it was unless the team lost big time, came close to losing, or made a big score against a “better” team.

You might enjoy the graphs at [College football | Latest News & Updates | AP News](http://collegefootball.ap.org/interactive/interactive-tracking-ap-poll)

I haven’t been able to find the site where the individual voters’ votes are shown, but the diversity – especially the “boat rockers” – is eye-opening.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/10 "2014-09-03T17:17:28Z")

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> [@Zakalwe](#):
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> Sorry! I forgot about -1 for failing to pick a Top25/Top25 matchup. Corrected scores are below: \<\< clipped \>\>

Nice work! Thanks for the effort!

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/11 "2014-09-03T17:28:09Z")

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> [@Zeldar](#):
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> \<\< clipped \>\>  
> I haven’t been able to find the site where the individual voters’ votes are shown, but the diversity – especially the “boat rockers” – is eye-opening.

This is close to what I was referring to:  
[http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/collegefootball\_front/votes/voters.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/collegefootball_front/votes/voters.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME)

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**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/12 "2014-09-03T18:17:33Z")

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> [@Zyanthia](#):
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> I have a question. Washington was ranked #25 last week, and won, but fell off the poll anyway. Do these polls follow any rules?

Ohio St also won, but still fell from #5 to #8 (I think).

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**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/13 "2014-09-03T18:55:12Z")

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Yeah, but I wasn’t looking forward to picking Ohio State to lose again. 😃 I was going to pick Washington to lose again.

And thank you for the links **Zeldar**.

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/14 "2014-09-03T20:24:02Z")

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Geez, **BobLibDem** , don’t hide your feelings, tell us how you really feel about the SEC… 🙂

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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/15 "2014-09-03T21:29:25Z")

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Crap. Hey, **Zeldar** , can you disregard my vote for South Carolina this week? I got ahead of myself and thought they were playing UGA. Also, thank you so much for bringing these polls back. I had a lot of fun last year.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/16 "2014-09-03T23:56:45Z")

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> [@armedmonkey](#):
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> Crap. Hey, **Zeldar** , can you disregard my vote for South Carolina this week? I got ahead of myself and thought they were playing UGA. Also, thank you so much for bringing these polls back. I had a lot of fun last year.

Glad to. That goes for anybody who wants a do-over on votes. It’s not like we’re paying for the privilege!

Yo, **armedmonkey** , you interested in maintaining that week-to-week accounting you did last year? 😉

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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/17 "2014-09-04T01:46:27Z")

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> [@Zeldar](#):
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> Yo, **armedmonkey** , you interested in maintaining that week-to-week accounting you did last year? 😉

Oh, hell no :D. You’re doing a fine and admirable job.

Besides, you’ve expanded the poll to 25 and changed the scoring system. I’m fine with both, I’m just busier this fall. The job’s taking off so I’m going to have to work a lot of Saturdays, but far from all. Hospitals do have to run on weekends.

Also, and apropos of nothing, I’m going to miss watching Auburn v LSU later on this season. I doubt I’ll even get to see a single snap. My sis has bought tickets to UGA v Vandy in Athens and we’re going. I love my sis, but is it bad that I’m kinda rooting for Vandy?

Lastly, last year I offered prize to the winner. I might do that again.

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/18 "2014-09-04T13:01:13Z")

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I don’t mind doing the scoring. I’ve already got a spreadsheet set up for it.

Based on the first week, you may as well just give the prize to Oak now. Scary that guy is…

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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/19 "2014-09-04T13:03:46Z")

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> [@Zakalwe](#):
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> Geez, **BobLibDem** , don’t hide your feelings, tell us how you really feel about the SEC… 🙂

Sorry, but I can’t bring myself to pick an SEC team not to lose an out of conference game nor can I pick a Big Ten team to lose an out of conference game. I may finish last every week, but at least when I do have a good week I’ll finish way out in front.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-2-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/697282/20 "2014-09-04T14:04:27Z")

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> [@Zakalwe](#):
>
> I don’t mind doing the scoring. I’ve already got a spreadsheet set up for it.
> 
> Based on the first week, you may as well just give the prize to Oak now. Scary that guy is…

Thanks much, **Zakalwe**! Much appreciated. You’re right about **Oak** having a running start. Good luck to all.

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