# Week 5 CFB -- Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [September 21, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113 "2014-09-21T22:08:52Z")\
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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/1 "2014-09-21T22:08:52Z")

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Scoring for this week’s poll is as follows:

1. Pick a team to LOSE and they LOSE – **+1 point**

2. Pick a team to LOSE and they WIN – **-1 point**

3. Fail to pick a LOSER in a game involving two Top 25 teams-- **-1 point**  
(two Top 25 teams playing – one must lose)

4. Pick both teams to LOSE in a game involving two Top 25 teams-- **-1 point**  
(two Top 25 teams playing – one must lose)

==================================

This week’s schedule:

> **[NCAAF College Football Scores & Game Results - Yahoo Sports](https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/scoreboard/?week=5&conf=)**
>
> Sports News, Scores, Fantasy Games

NCAAF Scores & Schedule

FBS Top 25 FBS

Weeks: 5

```auto

Thursday, September 25 

 7:30 PM EDT Texas Tech @ (24) Oklahoma St.  
10:00 PM EDT (11) UCLA @ (15) Arizona St. <<<

Saturday, September 27 

12:00 PM EDT Tennessee @ (12) Georgia 
 4:00 PM EDT Louisiana Tech @ (5) Auburn  
         TBA (1) Florida St. @ N.C. State 
12:00 PM EDT UTEP @ (25) Kansas St.  
12:00 PM EDT Wyoming @ (9) Michigan St. 
12:00 PM EDT South Florida @ (19) Wisconsin 
 3:30 PM EDT Arkansas @ (6) Texas A&M   
 4:00 PM EDT (16) Stanford @ Washington 
 6:00 PM EDT Cincinnati @ (22) Ohio St.   
 7:00 PM EDT Missouri @ (13) South Carolina    
 7:30 PM EDT N. Mex. St. @ (17) LSU   
 7:30 PM EDT Memphis @ (10) Mississippi   
 8:00 PM EDT (8) Notre Dame vs. Syracuse
 8:00 PM EDT (7) Baylor @ Iowa St.
 9:00 PM EDT Illinois @ (21) Nebraska  
10:30 PM EDT Oregon St. @ (18) USC   

"<<<" must pick one or the other!

```

> **[NCAA College Football Rankings: AP Top 25 Football Poll | AP News](https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-football-poll)**
>
> Georgia, Michigan, TCU and Ohio State were the top four in the final Associated Press college football poll of the regular season.

> **[NCAAF College Football Rankings - Yahoo Sports](https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/rankings/)**
>
> Sports News, Scores, Fantasy Games

The AP Top 25 Poll

```auto

 1 Florida State ACC Record: 3-0  
 2 Oregon Pac-12 Record: 4-0 Week 6: Thursday, October 2 10:30 PM EDT Arizona 
 3 Alabama SEC Record: 4-0 Week 6: Saturday, October 4 TBA (10) Mississippi  
 4 Oklahoma Big 12 Record: 4-0 Week 6: Saturday, October 4 TBA @ TCU
 5 Auburn SEC Record: 3-0  
 6 Texas A&M SEC Record: 4-0  
 7 Baylor Big 12 Record: 3-0  
 8 Notre Dame Div I Ind Record: 3-0  
 9 Michigan State Big Ten Record: 2-1  
10 Mississippi SEC Record: 3-0  
11 UCLA Pac-12 Record: 3-0   
12 Georgia SEC Record: 2-1  
13 South Carolina SEC Record: 3-1  
14 Mississippi State SEC Record: 4-0 Week 6: Saturday, October 4 TBA (6) Texas A&M
15 Arizona State Pac-12 Record: 3-0  
16 Stanford Pac-12 Record: 2-1  
17 LSU SEC Record: 3-1  
18 USC Pac-12 Record: 2-1  
19 Wisconsin Big Ten Record: 2-1  
20 Brigham Young Div I Ind Record: 4-0 Week 6: Friday, October 3 10:15 PM EDT Utah St. 
21 Nebraska Big Ten Record: 4-0  
22 Ohio State Big Ten Record: 2-1  
23 East Carolina The American Record: 3-1 Week 6: Saturday, October 4 TBA SMU 
24 Oklahoma State Big 12 Record: 2-1  
25 Kansas State Big 12 Record: 2-1 

Week 5 Poll released: Sep 21

```

Last week’s thread: [Week 4 CFB – Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=734184) from 09-14-2014, 02:38 PM

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**Multiple choice poll on the way…**

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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/2 "2014-09-22T14:29:53Z")

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Dang it, I picked the wrong week to be out of town and missed the chance to be right on Indiana over Missouri. So I’ve got UCLA, Auburn, LSU, and Mississippi to lose this week. Congrats again to the Hoosiers for knocking off a rated SEC team on the road.

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**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/3 "2014-09-22T14:52:01Z")

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Is there a way to score for picking no ranked teams to lose this week? I don’t see any games between ranked teams, and I’m not really feeling an upset this week…

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/4 "2014-09-22T15:00:58Z")

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> [@Oakminster](#):
>
> Is there a way to score for picking no ranked teams to lose this week? I don’t see any games between ranked teams, and I’m not really feeling an upset this week…

Good idea! I’ll incorporate that into next week’s poll.

I did mark (with \<\<\<)

> [@](#):
>
> 10:00 PM EDT (11) UCLA @ (15) Arizona St. \<\<\<

so that a “none” vote wouldn’t be valid this week.

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/5 "2014-09-22T15:50:21Z")

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Actually, I could imagine that it won’t come up very often at all now that we’re in conference play for the most part. Assuming it ever does though, how would you score it? +1?

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/6 "2014-09-22T16:02:28Z")

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Updated list with lines shown:

```auto

Thursday, September 25 

 7:30 PM EDT Texas Tech @ (24) Oklahoma St. (-13)
10:00 PM EDT (11) UCLA @ (15) Arizona St. (+5.5) <<<

Saturday, September 27 

12:00 PM EDT Tennessee @ (12) Georgia (-17.5)
12:00 PM EDT UTEP @ (25) Kansas St. (-29.5)
12:00 PM EDT Wyoming @ (9) Michigan St. (-30)
12:00 PM EDT South Florida @ (19) Wisconsin (-33)
 3:30 PM EDT Arkansas @ (6) Texas A&M (-9)
 3:30 PM EDT (1) Florida St. @ N.C. State (+21.5)
 4:00 PM EDT (16) Stanford @ Washington (+6.5)
 4:00 PM EDT Louisiana Tech @ (5) Auburn (-33)
 6:00 PM EDT Cincinnati @ (22) Ohio St. (-14)
 7:00 PM EDT Missouri @ (13) South Carolina (-5.5)
 7:30 PM EDT N. Mex. St. @ (17) LSU (-44.5)
 7:30 PM EDT Memphis @ (10) Mississippi (-20)
 8:00 PM EDT (8) Notre Dame vs. Syracuse (+11.5)
 8:00 PM EDT (7) Baylor @ Iowa St. (+22)
 9:00 PM EDT Illinois @ (21) Nebraska (-18)
10:30 PM EDT Oregon St. @ (18) USC (-11)

"<<<" must pick one or the other!

```

So, we’ve got a 5.5 and a 6.5 up there. Either one COULD come home (but probably not both), but which one?

Looks like I’ll have to do a little research on Stanford/Washington before picking…

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/7 "2014-09-22T16:13:11Z")

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> [@Zakalwe](#):
>
> Actually, I could imagine that it won’t come up very often at all now that we’re in conference play for the most part. Assuming it ever does though, how would you score it? +1?

Interesting pickle! Assuming no impossible situations (like this week) I’d be inclined to award more than just a +1, but surely not the total number of ranked games, so something in between.

Maybe we can use comments in this thread to get at an idea for a consensus of what to score the situation where “No Losers” becomes a valid vote and result.

In such a situation (no Top 25 teams facing each other) ALL of them losing ought to be worth more that ALL of them winning, right? I mean, the expectation is that they all should win. So all of them LOSING would basically be your Cold Day In Hell! 😃

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**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/8 "2014-09-22T16:17:07Z")

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> [@Zeldar](#):
>
> Good idea! I’ll incorporate that into next week’s poll.
> 
> I did mark (with \<\<\<) so that a “none” vote wouldn’t be valid this week.

Ahh…somehow I missed that one. Haven’t actually voted yet, so I’ll consult the Magic 8 Ball and pick a loser before the poll closes.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/9 "2014-09-22T16:25:15Z")

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> [@Oakminster](#):
>
> Ahh…somehow I missed that one. Haven’t actually voted yet, so I’ll consult the Magic 8 Ball and pick a loser before the poll closes.

Might be better than all the number crunching I do. As **Zakalwe** ’s tally shows, I would be better off keeping my ideas to myself. ☹

```auto

Name Total Week 1 Week2 Week 3 Week 4

Oakminster 4 4 -2 -1 3
tonyfop 3 0 3 0 0
Zakalwe 3 1 2 -1 1
Frosted Glass 2 2 0 0 0
Snupzilla 2 2 0 0 0

USCDiver 2 2 0 0 0
yellowjacketcoder 2 0 0 0 2
doverpro 1 1 0 0 0
excavating (for a mind) 1 0 -1 0 2
Mince 1 1 0 0 0

Nauplius 1 2 -1 -1 1
Really Not All That Bright 1 1 0 0 0
Snowboarder Bo 1 1 0 0 0
zoog 1 0 0 0 1
basset hound 0 0 0 0 0

Oredigger77 0 0 0 0 0
Wolverine 0 1 1 -2 0
armedmonkey -1 0 0 -1 0
Doctor Who -1 2 -2 -1 0
Labrador Deceiver -1 0 0 -1 0

LonghornDave -1 -1 0 0 0
Pai325 -1 -1 0 0 0
Ponch8 -1 0 0 0 -1
RetroVertigo -1 0 -1 0 0
Sterling Archer -1 0 0 -1 0

The Universe Lashes Out -1 0 -1 0 0
bump -2 -1 -1 0 0
Chingon -2 0 0 0 -2
Quintas -2 0 0 0 -2
Zeldar -2 0 -1 0 -1

JohnT -3 0 0 -3 0
Zyanthia -3 -1 0 -3 1
jsc1953 -4 -3 2 0 -3
susan -4 -4 0 0 0
astorian -6 0 -2 -2 -2

Typo Negative -6 -3 -3 0 0
BobLibDem -21 -5 -9 -7 0

```

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/10 "2014-09-22T16:35:58Z")

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> [@Zeldar](#):
>
> Interesting pickle! Assuming no impossible situations (like this week) I’d be inclined to award more than just a +1, but surely not the total number of ranked games, so something in between.

Let’s game it out:  
Situation: No top teams lose.  
Choice 1: Don’t play that week, take a 0.  
Choice 2: Take one or top teams to lose, -1 pt for every game picked.  
Choice 3: Take the “No Losers” option, +1

If you pick it and you’re right, you gain season points on everyone who took Choice 1 or 2. Sounds about right to me.

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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/11 "2014-09-23T02:31:55Z")

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> [@Zeldar](#):
>
> Might be better than all the number crunching I do. As **Zakalwe** ’s tally shows, I would be better off keeping my ideas to myself. ☹
> 
> ```auto
> 
> Name Total Week 1 Week2 Week 3 Week 4
> armedmonkey -1 0 0 -1 0
> 
> ```

**Zakalwe’s** tally is wrong. I scored two points in week four.

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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/12 "2014-09-23T03:25:06Z")

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
>
> Dang it, I picked the wrong week to be out of town and missed the chance to be right on Indiana over Missouri. So I’ve got UCLA, Auburn, LSU, and Mississippi to lose this week. Congrats again to the Hoosiers for knocking off a rated SEC team on the road.

See this is why the rest of the nation hates Big 10 fans. They don’t root for their teams. They don’t even like their teams that much. They spend all their time and energy rooting _against_ other teams. Listening to them is like listening to a Republican Congressman that doesn’t care if his party fails just as long as Obama fails harder.

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/13 "2014-09-23T11:35:39Z")

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> [@armedmonkey](#):
>
> **Zakalwe’s** tally is wrong. I scored two points in week four.

You are correct. I had one of astorian’s picks in your column and your score wasn’t moving to the summary page. It’ll be corrected on this week’s summary.

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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/14 "2014-09-23T11:46:27Z")

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> [@armedmonkey](#):
>
> See this is why the rest of the nation hates Big 10 fans. They don’t root for their teams. They don’t even like their teams that much. They spend all their time and energy rooting _against_ other teams. Listening to them is like listening to a Republican Congressman that doesn’t care if his party fails just as long as Obama fails harder.

I disagree. I root for Michigan State, then the rest of the Big Ten teams in order of my fondness for the school, starting with Michigan and ending with Ohio State. What I object to is the sense of entitlement that SEC fans have, thinking they had a guaranteed place in the BCS title game and now at least one, maybe two (hell, why not four?) spots in the new four team tournament. Wisconsin and Michigan State lose to rated teams on the road, and people say the Big Ten is eliminated from the tournament. If this is true, why doesn’t Missouri’s loss to an unranked team at home eliminate the SEC?

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/15 "2014-09-24T16:19:10Z")

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A reminder:

Due to Thursday night games,

> [@](#):
>
> This poll will close on 09-25-2014 at 05:13 PM

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**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/16 "2014-09-25T00:50:59Z")

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OK, Magic 8-Ball says Texas A&M and UCLA lose this week. I voted accordingly. For anyone that cares, Arkansas on the road over Texas A&M will be my official Upset Special this week.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/17 "2014-09-25T12:40:13Z")

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Here’s how things stand before the poll closes:

```auto

====================================================================================================================================

                                                                <<< <<< 
                             FlSt Aub TexA&M NotDam Missi UCLA Georgia SCar ArizSt Stan LSU Wisc OhioSt OklaSt KansSt 
                             ======================================================================================================
armedmonkey 2 UCLA OklaSt
astorian 2 UCLA OhioSt
BobLibDem 4 Aub Missi UCLA LSU   
excavating (for a mind) 4 TexA&M Georgia ArizSt OklaSt 
JohnT 4 UCLA Georgia SCar KansSt
jsc1953 1 UCLA 
Nauplius 1 ArizSt  
Oakminster 2 TexA&M UCLA
Oredigger77 2 TexA&M UCLA
Ponch8 4 FlSt NotDam ArizSt Stan  
The Universe Lashes Out 1 UCLA
Wolverine 1 UCLA
Zeldar 3 Georgia ArizSt OhioSt
zoog 2 ArizSt Stan
Zyanthia 2 UCLA Wisc
                             ======================================================================================================
                             FlSt Aub TexA&M NotDam Missi UCLA Georgia SCar ArizSt Stan LSU Wisc OhioSt OklaSt KansSt 
                             ======================================================================================================
   15 35 1 1 3 1 1 10 3 1 5 2 1 1 2 2 1 / 35
===================================================================================================================================

```

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/18 "2014-09-25T15:41:50Z")

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Just a note of thanks: this week’s total number of voters has been greater than any since Week 2!

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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/19 "2014-09-25T16:34:54Z")

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
>
> I disagree. I root for Michigan State, then the rest of the Big Ten teams in order of my fondness for the school, starting with Michigan and ending with Ohio State. What I object to is the sense of entitlement that SEC fans have, thinking they had a guaranteed place in the BCS title game and now at least one, maybe two (hell, why not four?) spots in the new four team tournament. Wisconsin and Michigan State lose to rated teams on the road, and people say the Big Ten is eliminated from the tournament. If this is true, why doesn’t Missouri’s loss to an unranked team at home eliminate the SEC?

I’m sorry, but the fact that your post is more concerned with the SEC kinda proves my point. Hate is not fun, man.

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**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/20 "2014-09-25T18:45:13Z")

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> [@armedmonkey](#):
>
> Hate is not fun, man.

> [@armedmonkey](#):
>
> See this is why the rest of the nation hates Big 10 fans.

:dubious:

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