# Week 5 CFB -- Which AP Top 25 team(s) will lose?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [September 21, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113 "2014-09-21T22:08:52Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 16\
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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/21 "2014-09-25T18:59:33Z")

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Got me there. I apologize. However, I’m not the gadfly that is making picks based on a hatred of a conference.

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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/22 "2014-09-25T19:32:52Z")

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Oddly, enough. I’ve always kinda liked Michigan State. Perennial scrappy underdogs.

They have a good chance this year of getting in to the payoff. They’re already in the top ten and they have a decently easy schedule. The biggest challenges for the Spartans are going to be Nebraska and Ohio State. Those are both paper tigers this year.  
ETA: Well, Indiana could throw a monkeywrench in there.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/23 "2014-09-25T23:33:57Z")

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Here’s the slate:

```auto

====================================================================================================================================

                                                                <<< <<< 
                             FlSt Aub TexA&M NotDam Missi UCLA Georgia SCar ArizSt Stan LSU Wisc OhioSt OklaSt KansSt 
                             ======================================================================================================
armedmonkey 2 UCLA OklaSt
astorian 2 UCLA OhioSt
BobLibDem 4 Aub Missi UCLA LSU   
excavating (for a mind) 4 TexA&M Georgia ArizSt OklaSt 
JohnT 4 UCLA Georgia SCar KansSt
jsc1953 1 UCLA 
Nauplius 1 ArizSt  
Oakminster 2 TexA&M UCLA
Oredigger77 2 TexA&M UCLA
Ponch8 4 FlSt NotDam ArizSt Stan  
The Universe Lashes Out 1 UCLA
Wolverine 1 UCLA
Zakalwe 1 UCLA
Zeldar 3 Georgia ArizSt OhioSt
zoog 2 ArizSt Stan
Zyanthia 2 UCLA Wisc
                             ======================================================================================================
                             FlSt Aub TexA&M NotDam Missi UCLA Georgia SCar ArizSt Stan LSU Wisc OhioSt OklaSt KansSt 
                             ======================================================================================================
   16 36 1 1 3 1 1 11 3 1 5 2 1 1 2 2 1 / 36
===================================================================================================================================

```

What’s great this week is that the Big Ticket game is tonight! And everybody who voted has picked a loser. Somebody’s got to win some major points!  
In fact, there’s the chance that two voters could come away after tonight with **+2**!

Enjoy the games and thanks for playing.

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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/24 "2014-09-26T05:40:20Z")

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Well, fuck. I’m O for two this week. Both my picks were tonight. That put’s me a -1 overall, I think. Goddamnit.

However, it helps to remind me that this is why I don’t bet actual money.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/25 "2014-09-26T06:16:08Z")

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> [@armedmonkey](#):
>
> Well, fuck. I’m O for two this week. Both my picks were tonight. That put’s me a -1 overall, I think. Goddamnit.
> 
> However, it helps to remind me that this is why I don’t bet actual money.

I heard that!

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**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/26 "2014-09-26T06:18:08Z")

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Heh. I’m 0-1 for the week. UCLA squeaked by with a 35 point victory. 😃

Best I can hope for now is to break even with Arkansas upsetting Texas A&M.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/27 "2014-09-27T14:56:05Z")

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Well, it’s too late to vote on the Week 5 Loser(s), but here’s a “probably too early” view of what’s ahead in Week 6. Maybe we can talk it up before the AP Rankings come in.

Predict which games won’t make the final schedule at [NCAAF College Football Scores & Game Results - Yahoo Sports](http://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/scoreboard/?week=6&conf=)

```auto

NCAAF Scores & Schedule

Top 25 FBS 

Weeks: 6

Thursday, October 2 

10:30 PM EDT Arizona @ (2) Oregon   

Friday, October 3 

10:15 PM EDT Utah St. @ (20) BYU  

Saturday, October 4 

 4:00 PM EDT Vanderbilt @ (12) Georgia  
 
 7:00 PM EDT (17) LSU @ (5) Auburn  
12:00 PM EDT (22) Ohio St. @ Maryland 
12:00 PM EDT Iowa St. @ (24) Oklahoma St. 
12:00 PM EDT (6) Texas A&M @ (14) Mississippi St.  
         TBA SMU @ (23) East Carolina  
         TBA (15) Arizona St. @ (18) USC   
         TBA Utah @ (11) UCLA  
 3:30 PM EDT Wake Forest @ (1) Florida St.   
 3:30 PM EDT (19) Wisconsin @ Northwestern  
 3:30 PM EDT (3) Alabama @ (10) Mississippi  
 3:30 PM EDT (7) Baylor @ Texas  
 3:30 PM EDT (4) Oklahoma @ TCU 
 3:30 PM EDT (16) Stanford @ (8) Notre Dame  
 7:00 PM EDT Texas Tech @ (25) Kansas St.  
 7:30 PM EDT (13) South Carolina @ Kentucky 
 8:00 PM EDT (21) Nebraska @ (9) Michigan St.  

```

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**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/28 "2014-09-27T18:59:38Z")

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From that list, TAM/Miss St, Bama/Ole Miss, and LSU/Auburn are definitely must watch games for me. At least two currently undefeated teams will fall, possibly three if LSU beats Auburn.

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**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/29 "2014-09-27T23:31:29Z")

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> [@Oakminster](#):
>
> For anyone that cares, Arkansas on the road over Texas A&M will be my official Upset Special this week.

That game… wow. You didn’t get the upset, but wow. That was the most entertaining game I’ve seen this year so far. I tip my hat for your ability to pick the ones to watch.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/30 "2014-09-28T03:53:45Z")

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The results:

```auto

====================================================================================================================================
                              W W W W W W W L L W W W W W W
                                                                <<< <<< 
                             FlSt Aub TexA&M NotDam Missi UCLA Georgia SCar ArizSt Stan LSU Wisc OhioSt OklaSt KansSt 
                             ======================================================================================================
armedmonkey 2 UCLA OklaSt
astorian 2 UCLA OhioSt
BobLibDem 4 Aub Missi UCLA LSU   
excavating (for a mind) 4 TexA&M Georgia ArizSt OklaSt 
JohnT 4 UCLA Georgia SCar KansSt
jsc1953 1 UCLA 
Nauplius 1 ArizSt  
Oakminster 2 TexA&M UCLA
Oredigger77 2 TexA&M UCLA
Ponch8 4 FlSt NotDam ArizSt Stan  
The Universe Lashes Out 1 UCLA
Wolverine 1 UCLA
Zakalwe 1 UCLA
Zeldar 3 Georgia ArizSt OhioSt
zoog 2 ArizSt Stan
Zyanthia 2 UCLA Wisc
                             ======================================================================================================
                             FlSt Aub TexA&M NotDam Missi UCLA Georgia SCar ArizSt Stan LSU Wisc OhioSt OklaSt KansSt 
                             ======================================================================================================
   16 36 1 1 3 1 1 11 3 1 5 2 1 1 2 2 1 / 36
===================================================================================================================================

====================================================================================================================================
                                W W W W W W W L L W W W W W W
                                                                  <<< <<< 
                               FlSt Aub TexA&M NotDam Missi UCLA Georgia SCar ArizSt Stan LSU Wisc OhioSt OklaSt KansSt 
                               ======================================================================================================
Nauplius +1/1 +1  

zoog 0/2 +1 -1 
 
jsc1953 -1/1 -1    
The Universe Lashes Out -1/1 -1 
Wolverine -1/1 -1 
Zakalwe -1/1 -1 

Zeldar -1/3 -1 +1 -1  

armedmonkey -2/2 -1 -1  
astorian -2/2 -1 -1  
Oakminster -2/2 -1 -1 
Oredigger77 -2/2 -1 -1 
Zyanthia -2/2 -1   
                                   -1 
excavating (for a mind) -2/4 -1 -1 +1 -1   
JohnT -2/4 -1 -1 +1 -1 
Ponch8 -2/4 -1 -1 +1 -1    

BobLibDem -4/4 -1 -1 -1 -1  
                               ======================================================================================================
                               FlSt Aub TexA&M NotDam Missi UCLA Georgia SCar ArizSt Stan LSU Wisc OhioSt OklaSt KansSt 
                               ======================================================================================================
   16 36 1 1 3 1 1 11 3 1 5 2 1 1 2 2 1 / 36
===================================================================================================================================

```

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/31 "2014-09-28T12:11:22Z")

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And the standings. I need to go back and figure out who didn’t play each week and indicate that somehow…

```auto

**Name Total Wk1 Wk2 Wk3 Wk4 Wk5**
tonyfop 3 0 3 0 0 **0**
Frosted Glass 2 2 0 0 0 **0**
Nauplius 2 2 -1 -1 1 **1**
Oakminster 2 4 -2 -1 3 **-2**
Snupzilla 2 2 0 0 0 **0**
USCDiver 2 2 0 0 0 **0**
yellowjacketcoder 2 0 0 0 2 **0**
Zakalwe 2 1 2 -1 1 **-1**
doverpro 1 1 0 0 0 **0**
Mince 1 1 0 0 0 **0**
Really Not All That Bright 1 1 0 0 0 **0**
Snowboarder Bo 1 1 0 0 0 **0**
zoog 1 0 0 0 1 **0**
basset hound 0 0 0 0 0 **0**
armedmonkey -1 0 0 -1 2 **-2**
Doctor Who -1 2 -2 -1 0 **0**
excavating (for a mind) -1 0 -1 0 2 **-2**
Labrador Deceiver -1 0 0 -1 0 **0**
LonghornDave -1 -1 0 0 0 **0**
Pai325 -1 -1 0 0 0 **0**
RetroVertigo -1 0 -1 0 0 **0**
Sterling Archer -1 0 0 -1 0 **0**
Wolverine -1 1 1 -2 0 **-1**
bump -2 -1 -1 0 0 **0**
Chingon -2 0 0 0 -2 **0**
Oredigger77 -2 0 0 0 0 **-2**
Quintas -2 0 0 0 -2 **0**
The Universe Lashes Out -2 0 -1 0 0 **-1**
Ponch8 -3 0 0 0 -1 **-2**
Zeldar -3 0 -1 0 -1 **-1**
susan -4 -4 0 0 0 **0**
JohnT -5 0 0 -3 0 **-2**
jsc1953 -5 -3 2 0 -3 **-1**
Zyanthia -5 -1 0 -3 1 **-2**
Typo Negative -6 -3 -3 0 0 **0**
astorian -9 0 -2 -2 -3 **-2**
BobLibDem -25 -5 -9 -7 0 **-4**

```

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2014, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/32 "2014-09-28T13:27:14Z")

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> [@Zakalwe](#):
>
> And the standings. I need to go back and figure out who didn’t play each week and indicate that somehow…  
> \<\<\< snipped \>\>\>

Good work, **Zakalwe**. I’ll be working on a similar task and we can compare notes, if you like.

I can already tell that our methods have been evolving and no two weeks look the same (at least in terms of format). 🙂

And another thing: I don’t believe Jeff Sagarin has anything to worry about from us! ( [College Football Ratings Page](http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm) )

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/33 "2014-09-29T13:35:50Z")

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Okay, here it is. I also FINALLY automated the text production from Excel. The ‘0’ indicates that the poster did not play that week.

```auto

**Name Total Wk01 Wk02 Wk03 Wk04 Wk05 Wk06 Wk07 Wk08 Wk09 Wk10 Wk11 Wk12 Wk13 Wk14**
tonyfop 3 '0' 3 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                       
Frosted Glass 2 2 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
Nauplius 2 2 -1 -1 1 1                                             
Oakminster 2 4 -2 -1 3 -2                                             
Snupzilla 2 2 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
USCDiver 2 2 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
yellowjacketcoder 2 '0' '0' '0' 2 '0'                                            
Zakalwe 2 1 2 -1 1 -1                                             
doverpro 1 1 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
Mince 1 1 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
Really Not All That Bright 1 1 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
Snowboarder Bo 1 1 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
zoog 1 '0' '0' '0' 1 0                                             
basset hound 0 0 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
armedmonkey -1 '0' 0 -1 2 -2                                             
Doctor Who -1 2 -2 -1 '0' '0'                                            
excavating (for a mind) -1 '0' -1 '0' 2 -2                                             
Labrador Deceiver -1 '0' '0' -1 '0' '0'                                            
LonghornDave -1 -1 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
Pai325 -1 -1 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
RetroVertigo -1 '0' -1 '0' '0' '0'                                            
Sterling Archer -1 0 '0' -1 '0' '0'                                            
Wolverine -1 1 1 -2 0 -1                                             
bump -2 -1 -1 '0' '0' '0'                                            
Chingon -2 '0' '0' '0' -2 '0'                                            
Oredigger77 -2 '0' 0 0 '0' -2                                             
Quintas -2 '0' '0' '0' -2 '0'                                            
The Universe Lashes Out -2 '0' -1 '0' '0' -1                                             
Ponch8 -3 '0' '0' '0' -1 -2                                             
Zeldar -3 0 -1 0 -1 -1                                             
susan -4 -4 '0' '0' '0' '0'                                            
JohnT -5 0 '0' -3 '0' -2                                             
jsc1953 -5 -3 2 '0' -3 -1                                             
Zyanthia -5 -1 0 -3 1 -2                                             
Typo Negative -6 -3 -3 '0' '0' '0'                                            
astorian -9 0 -2 -2 -3 -2                                             
BobLibDem -25 -5 -9 -7 '0' -4                                             

```

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**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2014, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/34 "2014-09-29T14:34:05Z")

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> [@Zakalwe](#):
>
> And the standings. I need to go back and figure out who didn’t play each week and indicate that somehow…

Do you auto-deduct points from those who didn’t participate at all, because they failed to pick a loser in games between two ranked teams?

If not, I’d recommend it.

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/35 "2014-09-29T14:58:14Z")

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I don’t object to that, but the scoring is **Zeldar** ’s gig. I’m just the bookkeeper! 🙂

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2014, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-cfb-which-ap-top-25-team-s-will-lose/699113/36 "2014-09-29T15:13:13Z")

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> [@Knorf](#):
>
> Do you auto-deduct points from those who didn’t participate at all, because they failed to pick a loser in games between two ranked teams?
> 
> If not, I’d recommend it.

> [@Zakalwe](#):
>
> I don’t object to that, but the scoring is **Zeldar** ’s gig. I’m just the bookkeeper! 🙂

This late in the season it would be unfair. Before we start next year’s polls we can have an extensive discussion of things to change, add or drop.

I’m open to improvements! But I suspect that penalizing people for not voting in a particular week’s poll would be counterproductive.

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