# Week 5 NFL Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 5, 2010, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106 "2010-10-05T10:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/1 "2010-10-05T10:14:37Z")
My upsets: St. Louis over Detroit: upsets the last two weeks. I think bradford is for real, and the defense is getting on track. Chicago over Carolina: Battle of the crappy qb’s. I give Chicago the edge because of Peppers and their ability to stop the run, which is just about the only thing Carolina can do. Tennessee over Dallas: Tennessee is a lot better team than their record reflects, while Dallas is a lot worse. The tough calls this week for me are Jac vs Buf and Indy vs KC. I went with the favorites (jak and Indy) but both are really hard calls. Jac needs Garrard to be even halfway decent, which he hasn’t except for last week. KC has Indy’s weakness: a great running game. Both of indy’s losses came when the other team pounded the ball on the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/2 "2010-10-05T13:57:25Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > My upsets: > > St. Louis over Detroit: upsets the last two weeks. I think bradford is for real, and the defense is getting on track. > Chicago over Carolina: Battle of the crappy qb’s. I give Chicago the edge because of Peppers and their ability to stop the run, which is just about the only thing Carolina can do. Those are upsets? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/3 "2010-10-05T14:29:44Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > > [@Superhal](#): > > > > My upsets: > > > > St. Louis over Detroit: upsets the last two weeks. I think bradford is for real, and the defense is getting on track. > > Chicago over Carolina: Battle of the crappy qb’s. I give Chicago the edge because of Peppers and their ability to stop the run, which is just about the only thing Carolina can do. > > Those are upsets? St. Louis is a 2.5 underdog, but the Bears are 2.5 favorite. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/4 "2010-10-05T14:34:35Z")
Yea, I wouldn’t list Chicago over Carolina as an upset, more like an inevitability. I’m not sure the Panthers are gonna win a single game this season. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/5 "2010-10-05T20:20:41Z")
I’m still laughing that anyone thought STL over SEA was an upset. Yeah, those Seahawks sure are great on the road, ain’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/6 "2010-10-05T22:29:28Z")
Yep, still the underdogs today at Yahoo pick em. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/7 "2010-10-06T02:50:06Z")
Apparently the Vikings and Patriots are in discussion to move Moss. The Pats sure do have an institutional arrogance, but they earn it I guess. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/8 "2010-10-06T04:26:09Z")
The 49ers WILL beat the Eagles at home on National TV. ---
**Author:** ![bleibtreu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bleibtreu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bleibtreu)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/9 "2010-10-06T07:18:13Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > [St. Louis is a 2.5 underdog, but the Bears are 2.5 favorite. But, handicappers’ spreads are more a prediction of how people will bet than they are a prediction of the game results. Perhaps a clarification: The spreads change as game day approaches not because one team is becoming better in comparison to the other, but because the money in play is becoming lopsided. The same principle influences the initial spread. That’s exactly the thing that a successful bettor uses: find the games where “psychological factors” or whatever are skewing the spread, moving it against logic. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/10 "2010-10-06T07:22:34Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The 49ers WILL beat the Eagles at home on National TV. I’m still in shell shock over Jak beating Indy. My friend and I were talking about it, and I would have bet (and lost) the farm. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/11 "2010-10-06T11:26:41Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Apparently the Vikings and Patriots are in discussion to move Moss. The Pats sure do have an institutional arrogance, but they earn it I guess. That’s classic Belichek. He’ll get some draft picks for him. Moss had 0 catches and only 1 target last week. (I know, my Fantasy opponent needed 12 lousy pints from him to beat me… 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/12 "2010-10-06T13:44:53Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The 49ers WILL beat the Eagles at home on National TV. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/13 "2010-10-06T13:48:17Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > > [@SenorBeef](#): > > > > Apparently the Vikings and Patriots are in discussion to move Moss. The Pats sure do have an institutional arrogance, but they earn it I guess. > > That’s classic Belichek. He’ll get some draft picks for him. Moss had 0 catches and only 1 target last week. (I know, my Fantasy opponent needed 12 lousy pints from him to beat me… 😃 ) Correction: one draft pick (3rd round next year.) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/14 "2010-10-06T13:48:39Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > > [@SenorBeef](#): > > > > Apparently the Vikings and Patriots are in discussion to move Moss. The Pats sure do have an institutional arrogance, but they earn it I guess. > > That’s classic Belichek. He’ll get some draft picks for him. Moss had 0 catches and only 1 target last week. (I know, my Fantasy opponent needed 12 lousy pints from him to beat me… 😃 ) Just a third rounder, apparently. This trade doesn’t make any sense to me; why are the Pats throwing in the towel at 3-1? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/15 "2010-10-06T13:50:34Z")
Sounds like a Belichick vs Moss ego battle that’s been building for a while. It’s just fucking stupid that they can’t get their shit in order, they’ve got a good thing going. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/16 "2010-10-06T13:53:06Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > My upsets: > > Tennessee over Dallas: Tennessee is a lot better team than their record reflects, **while Dallas is a lot worse**. Not that I’m complaining, but Dallas has a 1-2 record. How much worse than their record could they possibly be? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/17 "2010-10-06T14:23:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > > > That’s classic Belichek. He’ll get some draft picks for him. Moss had 0 catches and only 1 target last week. (I know, my Fantasy opponent needed 12 lousy pints from him to beat me… 😃 ) > > Just a third rounder, apparently. This trade doesn’t make any sense to me; why are the Pats throwing in the towel at 3-1? With that, the Pats _still_ make a profit off him. They got three 1000+ yard years out of him, plus a single season TD record and trade him for a pick one round higher then they paid to get him. and Oakland’s butt gets a little more sore. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/18 "2010-10-06T14:27:07Z")
And then there’s the other picks in the draft that NE owns. Can’t remember which teams they are from, but they now have at least two picks in each of the first three rounds of the next draft. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/19 "2010-10-06T14:30:40Z")
Off the top of my head: Oakland’s #1, Washington’s #2, Minnesota’s #3 (assuming the trade goes through), and a #4 from… Detroit? Of course, they have a ton of draft picks every year and they never actually wind up using them. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/20 "2010-10-06T14:49:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Off the top of my head: Oakland’s #1, Washington’s #2, Minnesota’s #3 (assuming the trade goes through), and a #4 from… Detroit? > > Of course, they have a ton of draft picks every year and they never actually wind up using them. According to the generally-reliable info at [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_Draft), it’s Carolina’s #2 and Denver’s #4 along with New Orleans’s #6. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106.md?page=2)