# Week 5 NFL Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 5, 2010, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106 "2010-10-05T10:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/61 "2010-10-07T17:26:53Z")
So it’s going to be Todd Collins for the Bears against the Panthers this Sunday. One old, never very good QB vs. one young, not very good (at least yet) QB. No Steve Smith. No Dwayne Jarrett (hooray!) David Gettis and Brandon LaFell as starting WRs. This has got to be the worst game of the week, no? On the positive side you have Peppers coming back to Charlotte. Chris Harris too, who wasn’t happy with the organization when he left. Something to watch, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/62 "2010-10-07T17:31:55Z")
Is Jarrett out due to his most recent DUI? And how long is Smith expected to be out THIS time? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/63 "2010-10-07T17:34:55Z")
Collins _was_ very good one time - he had a 106.7 passer rating in 3 1/2 games for Washington in 2007. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/64 "2010-10-07T17:40:07Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Is Jarrett out due to his most recent DUI? “Out” as in “cut from the team”, yes. They waived him on Tuesday, and signed David Clowney off of waivers from the Jets. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/65 "2010-10-07T17:42:19Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@Kolga](#): > > > > Is Jarrett out due to his most recent DUI? > > “Out” as in “cut from the team”, yes. They waived him on Tuesday, and signed David Clowney off of waivers from the Jets. Which is going over well here, considering he’ll probably start over Armanti Edwards who we apparently needed so badly we gave up a 2nd round pick for him and he hasn’t put on a helmet yet this year… ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/66 "2010-10-07T17:48:53Z")
The bottom line on this is what a Vikings player said the other day: They are all in for this year. They want the ring, and Zygi wants a new stadium, anything less will be failure. I’d give them a 30% chance of winning it all this year … and an even greater chance of missing the playoffs next year. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/67 "2010-10-07T18:09:24Z")
I’m a little surprised that nobody has signed Antonio Bryant. He must be healthy by now. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/68 "2010-10-07T18:45:04Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Is he really? People say that, but I haven’t really seen it. His teammates always seem to love him. He is the Lebron of football. He holds teams and cities tossing in the wind before he announces he will come back. He thinks he is bigger than the game. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/69 "2010-10-07T19:49:54Z")
After this week: Dal 2-2 (Win over Ten) \<---- Worst to first NYG 2-3 (Loss to Hou) Was 2-3 (Loss to GB) Phi 2-3 (Loss to SF) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/70 "2010-10-07T19:59:41Z")
After this week: **Bearflag70** 0-4 picking Week 5 games. ETA: probably 1-3, actually. Washington or Philly will lose. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/71 "2010-10-07T20:02:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > ETA: probably 1-3, actually. Washington or Philly will lose. Philly. Actually, they’re going to be the only NFC East team to lose this week. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/72 "2010-10-07T20:09:44Z")
Oh, duh. Forgot about Vick. ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/73 "2010-10-07T20:27:27Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > > ETA: probably 1-3, actually. Washington or Philly will lose. > > Philly. Actually, they’re going to be the only NFC East team to lose this week. I’m going with a goose egg from the NFC East this weekend, and Dallas remaining in the basement where they belong. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/74 "2010-10-07T22:40:43Z")
I’m a little surprised at how much agonizing there was over Reid naming Vick the starter over Kolb. Kolb was terrible in preseason, terrible in his brief 1st start, and terrible last Sunday. It was obvious to me that he wasn’t very good when I watched him play against the Bengals in preseason. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/75 "2010-10-08T00:23:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Am I the only one that considered it significant that all the guys the Vikings sent to lure Favre out of retirement were white? The packers are the only team with an all-white offensive line while farve was there, although nearly all centers are white. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/76 "2010-10-08T00:52:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Oh, duh. Forgot about Vick. Also, McCoy has a broken rib, Maclin is listed as probable, and Celek has a sprained wrist. Reid might have to dress this weekend. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/77 "2010-10-08T01:27:37Z")
I know its a case of pointing out the obvious, but Vick has been all that and a bag of chips so far. The Philly offense has been very dynamic with him in there full-time, and Vick seems to actually have developed touch on his passes. Philly will win the division if Vick comes back soon and saves their season. They will probably be 3rd in the division if Kolb plays the rest of the way. And i detest Mike Vick on many levels, but his play has been undeniable. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/78 "2010-10-08T04:32:00Z")
I wouldn’t say he’s developed touch. I’d say he has slightly more touch than before, which is to say slightly more than none. He’s still mostly throwing bullets that hit receivers in the chest and knock them over. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/79 "2010-10-08T12:48:39Z")
When Vick came in during the Packer game, it seemed like, on a lot of his throws, his receivers had to dive or otherwise go to the ground to make the catches. Might’ve just been my perception, but it didn’t seem like he was giving his guys much of a chance to make yards after the catch. (Not that I’m disagreeing that he’s been a complete spark plug for the Eagles, but I’m not convinced that he’s a particularly complete passer yet.) ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106/80 "2010-10-08T21:33:50Z")
I don’t understand how great arm strength is a negative quality. Brett Farve has been living for years on a rocket arm, while others have lost/can’t keep their jobs when they lost velocity because of age or injury. Vick is the only QB i know of where the main criticism is that he “throws too hard,” while nearly every single backup qb in the league “can’t throw hard enough.” It would be like saying a WR or RB is “too fast.” Well, you can’t teach speed either, and you can’t get someone with a weak arm to throw harder. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/week-5-nfl-discussion/556106.md?page=5)