# Weekly Comic Book Discussion 5/28/2008 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 29, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055 "2008-05-29T18:50:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/41 "2008-06-11T21:53:43Z")
[QUOTE=Brad Serum] That’s part of the Invasion force, though right? You’re not saying that the Dr. Strange we’ve been seeing in New Avengers and WWH, etc. is a Skrull. [/QUOTE] No. Bendis has pretty much stated that Dr. Strange and Tony Stark are not Skrulls. I think we can assume Spider-man isn’t one either (unless Brand New Day is really messed up). Anyone else, I dunno. Except Cap. I think Cap’s really dead. Makes me wonder if Skrulls can do magic, though, or if it’s just tech made to look like magic. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/42 "2008-06-11T22:30:00Z")
[QUOTE=Love Rhombus] Makes me wonder if Skrulls can do magic, though, or if it’s just tech made to look like magic. [/QUOTE] I’m not aware of any Skrulls among the alien mages of the Marvel Universe. Doesn’t mean they can’t have any but they’ve never demonstrated it before even in situations where they could have used it. Even if we assume skrull wizards though I’d hate to be the guy told to match the Sorcerer Supreme of the universe for abilities. On this subject can someone tell me why the skrulls would just drop a bunch of amalgamation-skrulls in the middle of New York City and start shooting things rather than follow the obvious plan of isolate and murder all of Earth’s heroes one by one? They threw away that “infiltration” idea pretty quickly… ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/43 "2008-06-11T22:36:22Z")
[QUOTE=Just Some Guy] I’m not aware of any Skrulls among the alien mages of the Marvel Universe. Doesn’t mean they can’t have any but they’ve never demonstrated it before even in situations where they could have used it. Even if we assume skrull wizards though I’d hate to be the guy told to match the Sorcerer Supreme of the universe for abilities. On this subject can someone tell me why the skrulls would just drop a bunch of amalgamation-skrulls in the middle of New York City and start shooting things rather than follow the obvious plan of isolate and murder all of Earth’s heroes one by one? They threw away that “infiltration” idea pretty quickly… [/QUOTE] No point infiltrating if the heroes know they’re being infiltrated. Anyone who could figure out a way to detect them is eliminated, and the surprise is gone. Who’s gonna stop them now, the Young Avengers? Everything is chaos, the center cannot hold. And on a total Dr. Strange hijack, am I the only one who remembers Rintrah and kind of wants him back? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/44 "2008-06-11T23:53:05Z")
[QUOTE=Love Rhombus] No point infiltrating if the heroes know they’re being infiltrated. Anyone who could figure out a way to detect them is eliminated, and the surprise is gone. Who’s gonna stop them now, the Young Avengers? Everything is chaos, the center cannot hold. And on a total Dr. Strange hijack, am I the only one who remembers Rintrah and kind of wants him back? [/QUOTE] Ah but the heroes knew that they were there but not what they were up to or how to find them. They might not have been able to stick to plan A but plan B has to be better than show up in the middle of New York (and London, I suppose) and start shooting. Like continuing infiltration and drop hints that people who haven’t been replaced have been (to the heroes I mean, not to the readers who seem to be the only people the Skrulls are directing their efforts at now). I liked Rintrah too as an apprentice. It’s a shame there hasn’t been a lot of good Dr. Strange stuff in… um… decades. The recent miniseries The Oath was spectacular, though. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/45 "2008-06-12T00:24:11Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] Actually, I think the idea is that the Third World and Fourth World are unique across the multiverse, and not tied to any one of the 52 Earths. [/QUOTE] No matter what DC may say, Countdown and Death of the New Gods had to take place in separate 4th worlds. In neither of those 4th worlds did Darkseid as the 5th world Darkseid boasts in Teen Titans. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/46 "2008-06-12T02:08:37Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] According to Morrison, Countdown… er.. really has nothing to do with Final Crisis and is kind of off on its own. Ignore it. He did, mostly. Thank you, Mr. Morrison. (obscene gesture) [/QUOTE] Actually, he said he had issue 1 done before they started Countdown and was working on a later issue by the time Death of the New Gods and the end of Countdown was written. DC editorial wanted those series to tie into Final Crisis, but didn’t do a good enough job (okay, didn’t even attempt) to tie them into the already written issues. If I have to choose between Morrison doing his stuff (even as weird as it is) and DC editorial making him re-write it because they can’t get their act together, I go with Morrison. He is good much more consistently. > [@Lightray](#): > > Actually, I think the idea is that the Third World and Fourth World are unique across the multiverse, and not tied to any one of the 52 Earths. Gog certainly implies this in his dialoging about falling down the inverted pyramid (or whatever) of the multiverse. And it was kind of implied in Countdown that New Genesis/Apokalips exist outside the confines of the multiverse. > > It seems that Gog just crashlanded onto New Earth, not that he’s an Old God from the New Earth multiverse. (actually, he should’ve crashlanded on Earth-1, probably, then suffered along with it in being retconned in Infinite Crisis into Earth-one-and-only, and retconned again in 52 into New Earth.) I agree completely about Gog. But in my post I was referring to Magog, not Gog, being from New Earth, as the JSA has identified who he was before he started killing gods. > [@Sir Prize](#): > > No matter what DC may say, Countdown and Death of the New Gods had to take place in separate 4th worlds. In neither of those 4th worlds did Darkseid as the 5th world Darkseid boasts in Teen Titans. I am assuming you mean he didn’t win as he boasts. But he _is_ Darkseid, he _lies_. According to Morrison, when Darkseid lost to Orion, he was thrown back through time in diminished form to the Dark Side Club in the Seven Soldiers Mr. Miracle book. Since that time, the original Darkseid and the diminished form have existed at the same time, with the Dark Side version gaining strength until he is now ready to step up after the original version’s defeat. And this time, he is going to win. ---
**Author:** ![mazinger\_z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@mazinger\_z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mazinger_z)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/47 "2008-06-12T16:31:27Z")
[QUOTE=Lok] I am assuming you mean he didn’t win as he boasts. But he _is_ Darkseid, he _lies_. According to Morrison, when Darkseid lost to Orion, he was thrown back through time in diminished form to the Dark Side Club in the Seven Soldiers Mr. Miracle book. Since that time, the original Darkseid and the diminished form have existed at the same time, with the Dark Side version gaining strength until he is now ready to step up after the original version’s defeat. And this time, he is going to win. [/QUOTE] Wh…huh? Can someone spoil this for me? I knew I should’ve read those Seven Soldiers books. But, with Mr. Miracle being my favorite New God, and having that other dude instead, it just didn’t feel right. Especially with Dark Side. I thought it was Morrison being insane/off his meds again. ---
**Author:** ![B.Serum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/b.serum/32/14266_2.png) [@B.Serum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/B.Serum)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/48 "2008-06-12T22:06:50Z")
[QUOTE=Just Some Guy] On this subject can someone tell me why the skrulls would just drop a bunch of amalgamation-skrulls in the middle of New York City and start shooting things rather than follow the obvious plan of isolate and murder all of Earth’s heroes one by one? They threw away that “infiltration” idea pretty quickly… [/QUOTE] After Skrullektra was killed and “outed,” the jig was up, they **had** to proceed with the full scale invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/49 "2008-06-13T00:44:46Z")
[QUOTE=Brad Serum] After Skrullektra was killed and “outed,” the jig was up, they **had** to proceed with the full scale invasion. [/QUOTE] No they didn’t. They could have just sat around and did nothing as paranoia made everything worse. They could have continued infiltration with plenty of misdirection toward where the skrulls were. They could have, as I said, continued to isolate and pick off heroes. Or they could land in the middle of New York and start shooting; a plan with a long history of failing badly when alien invaders do it in the Marvel Universe. One exposed agent (that they couldn’t get any intelligence out of anyway) doesn’t throw the whole thing into jeopardy and done intelligently would actually make things worse for the other side. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055/50 "2008-06-13T15:18:48Z")
[QUOTE=mazinger\_z] Wh…huh? Can someone spoil this for me? I knew I should’ve read those Seven Soldiers books. But, with Mr. Miracle being my favorite New God, and having that other dude instead, it just didn’t feel right. Especially with Dark Side. I thought it was Morrison being insane/off his meds again. [/QUOTE] Well, it pretty much was Morrison off of his meds. Or on the wrong meds. But it is usually a wild ride and seems to come together when you get to the end. Morrison wrote the Seven Soldiers as a lead up to Final Crisis. The information about it being a weaker version didn’t show up until Morrison’s interview on Final Crisis at Newarama. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weekly-comic-book-discussion-5-28-2008/451055.md?page=2)