# Weinstein accuser accused of sexually assaulting a minor **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900 "2018-08-20T02:50:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/41 "2018-08-20T23:14:15Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Based on statements by knowledgeable people (of both genders), it appears that it’s also common for females in Hollywood to proactively offer sexual favors in exchange for roles and career boosts. If that’s what happened in the cases Weinstein was indicted for, then that would change the legal picture considerably. How would you feel if you were working in a business and you found that the only people who got good jobs were those who were willing to have sex with the boss? Even if they were doing it voluntarily? Do you feel that your unwillingness to have sex with your boss should be a factor in holding you back from success in your chosen profession? Do you feel that there should be different standards based on whether the employees and bosses in question are men or women? If you were the owner of a company, how would you feel if the person you hired to manage your company was making business decisions based on whether or not your employees were offering sex? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/42 "2018-08-20T23:17:38Z")
> [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](#): > > I think the message that victims of rape are bad people does a service to rapists, helping them immensely. I don’t think he is saying that at all. He’s saying that many victims of sexual crime can be flawed people and it makes absolutely no difference if they are. They were still the victims of crime. > [@](#): > > In other words **AK84** , I think you just played the ‘victims of sexual assault were just asking for it’ card. If I am remembering correctly **AK84** is a lawyer that has worked with a number of victims of sexual crime. I rather doubt that his opinion. I think you are reading his comments in an as uncharitable view as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reindeer_flotilla/32/3024_2.png) [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reindeer_Flotilla)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/43 "2018-08-20T23:49:07Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > If I am remembering correctly **AK84** is a lawyer that has worked with a number of victims of sexual crime. I rather doubt that his opinion. I think you are reading his comments in an as uncharitable view as possible. Possibly. Certainly worth withdrawing my conclusion due to the uncertainty. However since victims of sexual assault suffer physiological damage, claims that physiological damage lead to the sexual assault bothers me for some reason. And in looking through the thread I see I’m not the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/44 "2018-08-20T23:57:14Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Really? And what’s your experience in dealing with sex crimes? Or criminal law, full stop? Oh, please, tell me how your personal or professional experience makes you an expert on the demographics of “most victims of sex crimes”. Full stop. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > You really have purchased into the idea of the ideal victim. The Disney princess, who is pure and pious and was violated by the vicious beasts. Sorry. Does not work that way. Rape victims are often prostitutes. Drug addicts. Petty thieves. And the occasional “good girl”. They all are entitled to have their day in court. The law protects the saints and the sinners equally. Stating that, in general, victims of sexual crimes are not necessarily going to be people I wouldn’t invite into my house means I’ve bought a fairy story? Show me the statistic that most victims of sexual crimes are addicts and prostitutes. I’ll wait. > [@](#): > > Frankly it’s attitudes like yours which have made prosecuting sexual offences so difficult. Frankly, your “expertise” is actually about a very narrow sub-set of women who are victims of sexual crimes, and your ham-handed attempt to to present yourself as an expert on sexual violence in general falls flat. You’re out of your element, Donny. read up a little about the statiatics and then let me know how 1 in 6 American women are not welcome in your house. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/45 "2018-08-21T00:37:38Z")
Sex crimes are sufficiently prevalent that I think it’s safe to say that most women who were victimized don’t end up as criminals nor prostitutes. This survey puts sexual assault victimization at 27% of the (female) populace: > **[A New Survey Finds 81 Percent Of Women Have Experienced Sexual Harassment](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/21/587671849/a-new-survey-finds-eighty-percent-of-women-have-experienced-sexual-harassment)** > > A nationwide survey found that most women have experienced some form of sexual harassment, many since their teenage years. The results illustrate why the #MeToo movement was so successful. It’s reasonable to say that prostitutes are not 27% of the population. Certainly there’s a correlation between sexual assault and poor life outcomes, but it’s not a foregone conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Itchy\_Toe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dec6dc/32.png) [@Itchy\_Toe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itchy_Toe)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/46 "2018-08-21T01:21:08Z")
I have no idea who this person is or why she is famous. The only thing google tells me is Weinstein jerked off in front of her and she has shitty tattoos. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/47 "2018-08-21T01:30:38Z")
> [@Itchy\_Toe](#): > > I have no idea who this person is or why she is famous. The only thing google tells me is Weinstein jerked off in front of her and she has shitty tattoos. Thank you for sharing. Asia was popular in the 90s into the 2000s in B films and foreign films. She was a poor man’s Angelina Jolie for a while. Also her father was a fairly good Italian director, Dario Argento who directed the excellent movie _Suspiria_. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/48 "2018-08-21T02:01:54Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Thank you for sharing. > > Asia was popular in the 90s into the 2000s in B films and foreign films. She was a poor man’s Angelina Jolie for a while. Also her father was a fairly good Italian director, Dario Argento who directed the excellent movie _Suspiria_. And she worked with her accuser when he was nine in what is now an aptly named move: “The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/49 "2018-08-21T02:09:00Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Nope. Not seeing the hypocrisy. Over 80 women have accused Harvey Weinstein of rape, sexual assault and sexual abuse, including Argento herself. The other 80 women have nothing whatsoever to do with the hypocrisy of one of the accusers committing the same crime. ---
**Author:** ![Itchy\_Toe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dec6dc/32.png) [@Itchy\_Toe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itchy_Toe)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/50 "2018-08-21T02:11:06Z")
Sweet Baby Jesus… it looks like she was banging some random dude while being Anthony Burdain’s girlfriend and that’s why the poor guy offed himself. She literally cucked him to death… and this was the star of poundmetoo movement?? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/51 "2018-08-21T02:18:30Z")
> [@Itchy\_Toe](#): > > Sweet Baby Jesus… it looks like she was banging some random dude while being Anthony Burdain’s girlfriend and that’s why the poor guy offed himself. She literally cucked him to death… and this was the star of poundmetoo movement?? What are you talking about?0 ---
**Author:** ![Itchy\_Toe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dec6dc/32.png) [@Itchy\_Toe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itchy_Toe)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/52 "2018-08-21T02:23:39Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > What are you talking about?0 [this](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/rose-mcgowan-asks-people-not-to-blame-asia-argento-for-death-of-anthony-bourdain-1.3527685) What a vile cunt… and a rapist to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/53 "2018-08-21T02:34:05Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The other 80 women have nothing whatsoever to do with the hypocrisy of one of the accusers committing the same crime. …you removed the context from what I said. Please try again. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/54 "2018-08-21T03:09:28Z")
That’s enough. Around here we pride ourselves on civility and debate. Let’s not get carried away. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/55 "2018-08-21T07:09:02Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Really? And what’s your experience in dealing with sex crimes? Or criminal law, full stop? > > You really have purchased into the idea of the ideal victim. The Disney princess, who is pure and pious and was violated by the vicious beasts. Sorry. Does not work that way. Rape victims are often prostitutes. Drug addicts. Petty thieves. And the occasional “good girl”. They all are entitled to have their day in court. The law protects the saints and the sinners equally. > > Frankly it’s attitudes like yours which have made prosecuting sexual offences so difficult. I’ll keep this as civil as I can and request a cite for your assertions that rape victims are often sex workers, addicts, thieves. Because they don’t jibe with statistics. Sex workers have a greater chance of getting raped, but that’s a far cry from asserting that most rape victims are prostitutes. If your answer is from your own experience in whatever capacity, I’ll match that with my own. I was sexually assaulted at age 14 by a stranger. At 14, I wasn’t allowed to date, let alone prostitute myself. No drug use and no petty crimes. Then there’s my best friend back then, who was acquaintance-raped at 15 and who also doesn’t fit your profile. Or my college roommate’s friend, viciously date-raped. Or the other half-dozen rape victims I’ve known, none of whom were prostitutes or had criminal records. But anecdotal evidence is not the same as data, right? Right. So let’s not generalize from personal experiences. Just because you’ve known rape victims who were sex workers, criminals, and addicts doesn’t make your assertions true any more than my experience or those of women I’ve known prove anything conclusive. Let’s stick with data. Show us your cites. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/56 "2018-08-21T09:46:19Z")
I got here late. So the logic is, because one of his accusers apparently committed sexual assault or harassment, that invalidates the accusations against Weinstein? Or is it that it’s OK to commit sexual assault because \*everyone \*does it? The only other thing I can guess, is the OP is railing against a media that has buried the story. But that premise is refuted by…the OP’s link. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/57 "2018-08-21T10:49:02Z")
#MeToo won’t survive this. It took about 4 months longer than I expected. Winners: Due process and therefore (sigh) Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/58 "2018-08-21T10:55:11Z")
> [@Itchy\_Toe](#): > > [this](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/rose-mcgowan-asks-people-not-to-blame-asia-argento-for-death-of-anthony-bourdain-1.3527685) Could you point out what exactly in that article relates to your post? ---
**Author:** ![Itchy\_Toe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dec6dc/32.png) [@Itchy\_Toe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itchy_Toe)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/59 "2018-08-21T11:22:33Z")
Oh boy… So this broad with ugly tats [was sleeping around with some Frenchy](https://pagesix.com/2018/06/12/paparazzo-who-snapped-asia-argento-with-french-reporter-regrets-shots/), Anthony’s got a wind of it and up the rope he went. But the real victim here is, apparently, [the broad with ugly tats](https://www.thecut.com/2018/07/celebrities-defend-asia-argento-against-misogynist-trolls.html) It’s like we live in a bizarro world, I tell ya ---
**Author:** ![Itchy\_Toe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dec6dc/32.png) [@Itchy\_Toe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itchy_Toe)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900/60 "2018-08-21T11:25:37Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Could you point out what exactly in that article relates to your post? Pretty much everything. Ugly tats was banging some French dude, Anthony Bourdain found out about it, and instead of throwing her ass out, decided he’s had enough. Ugly tats is the victim here, though. Poundmetoo and all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weinstein-accuser-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-a-minor/819900.md?page=4)