# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/341 "2009-08-06T15:34:25Z")
Meeko, you aren’t playing at a ‘higher level,’ in fact I’m not even sure what you mean by that. You’re not even playing the game. Why in fucks name would you waste your time asking the Mah what his contingency plan is for the board going down. Who cares? We’ll deal with it when it happens. I’m going to follow suit from above. (and put my vote where it was pre-meeko) **unvote meeko** **vote Booze** **Sub out Meeko** ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/342 "2009-08-06T15:36:54Z")
Errr, ‘the Mah’ should just be ‘mah’ I started to write ‘the mod’ and changed it mid way though. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/343 "2009-08-06T15:37:31Z")
Oh, yeah, I’m not sure if Maha is willing to sub out a player for reasons not having to do with inactivity, but I agree: **Sub out Meeko** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/344 "2009-08-06T15:42:45Z")
Actually, I should ask directly: **Mahaloth, are you willing to involuntarily sub someone out for reasons not related to inactivity?** ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/345 "2009-08-06T15:43:53Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > @ **MentalGuy** : Odd–I’ve seen PIS slips nail a LOT of scum–especially in the LOST game we just had (I mentioned that earlier). I will take your word for it. I have only played four games prior to this. It is possible that what I am seeing as a pattern just happens to be a coincidence. I have only seen one case of an actual PIS, and that turned out to be a minor town power role. I have seen three other apparent PIS’s and they all turned out to be town and not actually PIS’s. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/346 "2009-08-06T15:45:01Z")
Just going to read along here, and comment as I go. Seems like mostly typical first-day blah blah, with a side of “don’t edit!”, until post #157, by **Tom Scud** , which really kicked things off. Here’s the post, in its entirety: > [@](#): > > On roles, bear in mind this is a Weird Wild West game, so there might be supernatural elements, particularly in the scum power roles. Which could mean anything. **Boozy** and **NAF** both vote for **Tom** , on the reasoning that, hey, it’s early, and how does Tom know if there even are Scum power roles, let alone that they are supernatural? OK, so is this reasonable reasoning? I argue that, yes, it is. It may not be definitive, but it’s reasonable. Not every game has had Scum power roles at all (on the other hand, the only game that I know of that Tom himself has played did have Scum power roles); Tom’s casual reference to their existence in this game might suggest that he knows they exist. And frankly, NAF and Boozy are doing what I’d basically expect all of us to do in that spot: apply pressure on potential weak points, and see if they crack. But then we get two really weird posts, and I dislike both: First, at #164, **Freudian Slit:** > [@](#): > > Wow, you remembered me! I don’t see that as Perfect Info. Anyone who’s had even a limited experience might think of supernatural roles. It’s not SO out there. > > For being way too eager to lynch, > > Vote Boozahol Squid, P.I. (Bleached). Wait, _what?_ “Way too eager to lynch?” Boozy placed the first vote on Tom Scud. The very first one. If placing the first vote on a player in response to a suspicion constitutes “eager to lynch,” what kind of behavior would NOT constitute excessive eagerness to lynch? Not voting ever, at all? Also, this seems inconsistently applied. **JoeyP** placed a second vote on **Alka Seltzer** earlier, for editing a quote tag, but Freudian didn’t seem so quick to characterize him as “eager to lynch.” Speaking of **JoeyP** , at #166 he also votes Boozahol, thusly > [@](#): > > Vote Boozahol > For two reasons. > 1)Voting Tom Scud for no reason. Or at least not giving a reason until asked for it. I’ve seen that as a scum move in the past. Scum votes town with no reason, then waits to get called on it. If enough time has passed, they can create their reasons based on what others have said since their vote. > 2)When asked you said you voted him because he pondered what other roles might be other other then normal roles? How are we going to get anywhere if people get votes for putting ideas out. I take that back, I said he pondered what other roles might be out there, you accused him of knowing what other roles existed. (Bleached). I can’t really parse #2 that well – I think it’s just JoeyP thinking out loud. But then there’s number 1. Boozahol justified his vote literally two posts after making it. He _clearly_ wasn’t doing what Joey suggests he was doing here. **Freudian** follows up shortly thereafter, with: > [@](#): > > I think this is important, though. If every single thing someone says is rejected as “Only scum could know that,” then we’ll never get anywhere. This is a pretty big mischaracterization of the situation. Again, I don’t think that Tom’s post was _necessarily_ indicative of PIS, but it certainly _might_ have been. Scum do slip. In Cecilvania, I made a post on Day 1 in which I referenced the exact number of mislynches the Town had, which of course required me to know the number of Scum in the game (Which I did; I was the Alpha Wolf). I bullshitted it off as a typo, but the Town (wisely) pressured me and forced me into a fake claim. _Lynching_ Tom on the basis of nothing but a possible slip is bad play, but giving him a few votes and applying a bit of pressure is not the same as lynching. **Freudian** seems to be ignoring this distinction, and broadening and dismissing the arguments rather out-of-hand here. I am not sure exactly how she _does_ want us to play, if the answer is not “look for what is suspicious and vote accordingly.” At #183, **CatinaSuit** (hi, Cat! Long time no play!) votes Tom, making him the third vote, for basically the same reasons. JoeyP, playing Sir Galahad for Tom Scud once again, says: > [@](#): > > Now that I keep hearing it put that way it does sound odd, however I still don’t think it’s fair to vote someone for suggesting ideas. Besides if Tom is a scum power role (or scum with the knowledge of scum power roles) why would he mention them? And to reiterate he DID NOT state that there were supernatural scum power roles he suggested that there may be supernatural scum power roles and you guys are jumping down his throat for that. Again, how are we supposed to suggest things that we think might be going on in the game if are going to get votes for doing it. Some responses: 1. No one so far has voted for Tom Scud for “suggesting ideas.” They’re voting for him because he made a bald statement of fact (referencing “the scum power roles”) that he couldn’t have made with certainty unless he were scum. 2. The last sentence is disingenuous, and it feels like JoeyP and Freudian are pushing the same line right now: “oh, woe and misery, how can anyone possibly contribute if our contributions are actually going to be _read_ and _analyzed_ and have _consequences_?” That’s how the game works, folks. There are Scum out there. There are lots of ways to find them. Looking for slips and pressuring them to see if there’s other evidence floating around, that’s one of them. 3. Just overall, it seems to me like JoeyP is mounting a pretty enthusiastic defense of Tom Scud here. JoeyP seems pretty confident that the “slip” isn’t a **slip** , you know? Moving on, but more on this to come. **Meeko** votes for **Boozahol**. **Tom Scud** offers a plausible explanation, and votes for **NAF** (and I am interested in the fact that both of Tom’s erstwhile defenders, Freudian and JoeyP, have focused their counterattacks mostly on Boozahol and not on NAF or CiaS). Why not? NAF’s vote was the second, the one that actually made Tom’s wagon more than a Day One one-off; CiaS’ vote actually put Tom in some modest danger. Why are Joey and Freudian going after Boozy so exclusively so far? Splitting this into multiple posts for readability… part 2 coming up. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/347 "2009-08-06T15:48:27Z")
Request sub out Meeko, I don’t think he is really participating. Unfortunately I’m going away for a long weekend this evening, so will have limited access. I’ll try my best to check in tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/348 "2009-08-06T15:52:16Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Speaking of **JoeyP** , at #166 he also votes Boozahol, thusly > > (Bleached). I can’t really parse #2 that well – I think it’s just JoeyP thinking out loud. But then there’s number 1. Boozahol justified his vote literally two posts after making it. He _clearly_ wasn’t doing what Joey suggests he was doing here. Booze didn’t justify his vote two posts later. Two posts later Ed came in and defended Booze. Two totally different things. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/349 "2009-08-06T16:04:49Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Booze didn’t justify his vote two posts later. Two posts later Ed came in and defended Booze. Two totally different things. Nope, two posts (and 6 minutes) after his vote for Tom, Boozahol said this: > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > While it’s a reasonable insight based on the opening fluff, it seemed a little prescient for him to know. Plus, I’ve never seen the guy, and I like jumping down new people’s throats for what could be innocent slips but could be game-breaking revelations of extra knowledge. It was several posts later that special ed attacked your vote for Boozahol (is what you mean by defence?). I did note that pedescibe defended Boozahol with this: > [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m thinking, Boozahol was rushed, and voted without explanation. Which I found odd, why assume or invent reasons for players actions? Better to wait for a player to explain themself, and then decide if their explanation is reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/350 "2009-08-06T16:08:48Z")
I sure hope Story can get the second part of his post out in less than 24 hours. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/351 "2009-08-06T16:31:48Z")
OK, then beginneth the saga of Meeko. At #217, **special ed** pokes the bear a little, in response to Meeko’s post regarding Boozy which is not really all that incoherent. Meeko was basically just saying that Boozy didn’t give reasons for voting, which makes him like Meeko, and Meeko’s opinion is that a game can handle only one Meeko. Oh, god, I speak Meeko. Anyway, pedescribe pokes the bear some more at #219. Boozy offers a defense at #223 (I think he refers to himself as a “pretty girl” in the process, so that’s cool). Reasonable response to what I think is an overblown “case” against him carried by two suspicious people (Joey and Freudian) and Meeko. At #226, Freudian reiterates her distaste for Boozy’s vote, but again not referencing or even acknowledging the concurring votes from NAF or CiaS. NAF votes Freudian at #228/#229, citing… er… most of what I’ve said in this and the previous post, but more succinctly. He asks: “why do you want people to be afraid of voting?” I guess that’s the question, right? I mean, Freudian’s vote for Boozy is as much a “vote to lynch,” as much reflective of an “eagerness to lynch,” as Boozy’s for Tom. You vote for what you find suspicious, and you see where it leads. At #233, Freudian again: > [@](#): > > You’re voting to lynch for a really stupid reason. All Tom was doing was trying to put out an idea. And I respond: AUUUUUUGGHGGGHHH. Boozahol’s vote is, in and of itself, also trying to put out an idea: that Tom might be Scum. Since Boozy’s vote can’t hang Tom on its own, and gets color-coded so it’s easily seen, what the hell? Why are Tom’s ideas sacrosanct and need to be protected, but when Boozy offers an idea he gets your vote, but hey, we shouldn’t vote for people for putting out ideas, and BLEEEEARRGGGGHHHAUUUUGGGGHHH. **vote Freudian Slit** Moving on. > [@](#): > > By jumping on him, you’re discouraging anyone who might come forward with a good idea or theory about the game, because someone could just as easily say, “Only scum would know that.” And there’s no evidence that only scum would know that–ANYone who’s played or knows about mafia games knows about supernatural roles. You are again mischaracterizing. If I say, right now: “The Scum might have a one-shot extra kill, because X, Y, and Z,” no one will “jump on me.” If I say, “I wonder when the Scum will use their one-shot extra kill,” everyone will. Do you see the difference? -\> Now, to something else. More Meeko. **special ed** continues to poke at Meeko, and Nanook sort of joins the fray at #239. **AllWaker** votes Freudian at #248. At #249, Meeko offers a relatively simple and straightforward answer to special ed’s questions, then shortly thereafter unvotes Boozy. This Meeko thing is over now, right? Especially when, at #271, he makes the following perfectly reasonable post: > [@](#): > > That being said, I don’t think Scud is Scum. > > I also want Boozy to stick around. > > I also don’t think that we should hang votes on Alka Seltzer’s first day edit. > > And yes, I’m partial to NAF and Oredigger, because I know them, more than some other players. > > Love it, hate it, I’m going to lynch the lurker. > > All of that being said: > > Vote Mental Guy. (Bleached) Hey, I HATE lynch-the-lurker as a strategy, but it’s not a far out strategy, right? Been used by many players, Town and Scum, over the years we’ve all been playing together. But folks continue to prod Meeko: hey, we can’t understand you. How can we help you understand us? My question: why is this still going on? Meeko calmed, made multiple understandable posts and an understandable vote; why are we still pretending like we don’t understand him? Meanwhile, two votes for Oredigger (on grounds that he has not taken a firm stand, which is a case I would seriously consider if Freudian and subsequently, JoeyP were not so high on my list due to their behavior surrounding the Tom Scud/Boozy thing). **Meeko’s** #290 is, again, completely comprehensible to me. Am I going nuts? He doesn’t mean to say in the strictest sense that there are no Scum; he is speaking figuratively, I think. Like, “it’s Day One, we know nothing, for all we know there are no Scum, so it’s hard to place a well-reasoned vote.” Only he says it in Meeko. But it’s not that hard to understand, for Pete’s sake. Which is why I’m weirded out by **special ed** voting to lynch Meeko, at #291. Meeko, of course, counter votes, and we’re off to the races. Nanook votes Meeko, again for being a distraction. Meeko points out that he is an easy bandwagon – and he is – and that Scum like bandwagons – which they do – and JoeyP replies with “that’s just stupid,” at #313. Joey P then votes for Meeko. Am I fucking losing my mind here? JoeyP presses Meeko to explain his vote for Ed, promising to move his vote back to Boozy if Meeko does. So Meeko DOES, at #323. He believes that Ed is Scum, trying to provoke Meeko because Ed knows that if he can provoke Meeko, Meeko will serve as an easy Day One bandwagon. Zeriel calls for a modkill of Meeko, which I will address presently in a separate post. True to his word, JoeyP unvotes Meeko, and calls for him to be subbed out. Tom Scud does the same. And we’re caught up. Summary to come. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/352 "2009-08-06T16:32:29Z")
**CAS’s** vote got me to go back and look over **NAF** **NAF** ’s first in game post is in #133 he agrees that editing is bad but disagrees about how the vig should handle his role. In #142 he clarifies his position on vig actions and admits that people can disagree with him. #163 is where things get interesting with his vote for **Tom** his entire reasoning was that he agreed with **Boozy**. #211 leads **NAF** to agree with **Tom’s** vote for him for a me too vote but he doesn’t elaborate on any reasons. #228 **NAF** says that no one is looking scummier then **Tom** but he is voting to gain information and then votes for **FS** saying that she knows **Boozy** isn’t being anti-town but is pretending other wise. **NAF** uses his next two posts to comment on coming back and rereading the thread in the future. He then votes for me but he has all kinds of wonderful conditions saying the **FS** has still been scummy and he will gladly jump onto her bandwagon if it gains speed. The reason for voting for me is that I’m finding it hard to move my vote around on Day 1. NAF seems very sure that each person he votes for is horribly scum but when not enough people join him in the accusations he jumps off the wagon but states that he will get back on it if other people pick up the case. I don’t mind the vote early vote often mentality, I think it adds noise but it’s not horrible, but I don’t like how he is not sticking with any of his cases beyond a single post but has stated his willingness to rejoin every case if other people want to. He is setting up a great case to vote for everyone while being able to deny responsibility when they come up town. With all of that in mind I’m going to **[color=blue]Vote NAF** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/353 "2009-08-06T16:34:32Z")
let me try that again **Vote NAF** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/354 "2009-08-06T16:35:50Z")
And I’m an idiot, sorry for the multiple posts **Unvote Vote NAF** ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/355 "2009-08-06T16:38:16Z")
First and foremost, regarding Meeko: [out of game] WHAT THE HELL? Really? We’re asking for _modkills_ now, of players who haven’t broken the rules and are participating? What kind of crap is that? The day we start booting people from these games because we don’t like their playstyle is the day I, at least, stop playing in these games. Fuck that. If you all decide you don’t like long posts, will I be voted off the island, too? That’s a crappy and a cliquey way to play - and it’s anti-Town, too. [color=purple] **I am strongly against modkilled or subbing any player who has followed the rules and is participating.** [/quote] [/out of game] In game, I am suspcious of Freudian Slit and JoeyP, obviously. I think there’s Scum somewhere in the Boozy/NAF/Tom Scud/CiaS quartet, too, but figuring out where is going to require a bit more information. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/356 "2009-08-06T16:57:47Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Hey, I HATE lynch-the-lurker as a strategy, but it’s not a far out strategy, right? Been used by many players, Town and Scum, over the years we’ve all been playing together. An important point you’re missing here is that when asked to justify his lurker vote, Meeko said this: > [@Meeko](#): > > The vote on Mental was combination of lurking [in terms of raw post numbers] and in terms of not knowing you that well. I consider that to be a very anti-town reason for a vote. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/357 "2009-08-06T17:00:39Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > An important point you’re missing here is that when asked to justify his lurker vote, Meeko said this: > > I consider that to be a very anti-town reason for a vote. Then vote to lynch him. Why not vote to lynch him if you think that? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/358 "2009-08-06T17:13:17Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Why EXACTLY was your first reaction to ask for a modkill of Meeko? If you think he’s town, why not just ask for a sub, instead of both? It seems like a very good way to get 2 town lynches for the price of 1, while at the same time looking like a concerned Townie trying to avoid disruption, if you can build up a modkill-Meeko bandwagon. Yeah, that…or, I put the possibility I thought would be more likely up front, because I watched part of town’s loss in LOST (gleefully at the time, mind you) be due to winding up Meeko and watching what randomness he unleashed on town and I honestly think we’d be better off losing the mislynch. My FIRST reaction was to ask for whichever the mod thought appropriate. But whatever you need to do to justify your OMGUS is fine with me. I’m actually vaguely suspicious of **Special Ed** for that exact reason–he’s winding \*\*Meeko \*\*up. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/359 "2009-08-06T17:18:56Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Then vote to lynch him. Why not vote to lynch him if you think that? Because anti-town play isn’t the same as scummy play, I don’t have a real read on him. We could lynch him, but I dislike policy lynches. They don’t yield much information, as they give scum a free bandwagon. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/360 "2009-08-06T17:25:23Z")
To say that I am not in a good mood right now would be an understatement. I am aware that people do not want me to play mafia, and they are making their point known, but actually NOT playing Mafia. \*\* IF I WERE TO SUB OUT, YOU WOULD ALL UNVOTE ME / MY REPLACEMENT. WHY NOT JUST UNVOTE ME NOW, AND MOVE ON? TALK ABOUT BEING FICKLE. ANTI-TOWN IF I EVER SAW IT. \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=19)