# Weird Wild West Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801 "2009-07-30T19:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/501 "2009-08-10T14:54:17Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\* > It is now Night. You are all at home and may NOT talk strategy. Talking strategy implies leaving your house and opens you to being killed on the spot. More specifically, I’ll modkill you if you talk strategy. Got it? > \*\* > [@NAF1138](#): > > Well crap, that took me an hour to post and I didn’t get it in on time or even get to the next page of the thread. ☹ Do not underestimate me. I thought we were past my blow up this game. NAF had a post after the time limit passed. Given how Gastardly this game is going, I want to make sure we know what we can know. I would like to know about NAF ASAP. – \*\*Related: Working on my “We are all Town” theory: Is there any MAFIA Variant where ““Ghosts”” have posting access to a scum board, and or, can vote in NKs ? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/502 "2009-08-10T14:55:17Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Uh, yes. > > Only Freudian Slit and SpecialEd are dead and both were vanilla town. > > Clear enough?\*\* Right O. Not getting answers on Win Cons, am I ? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/503 "2009-08-10T14:55:29Z")
Okay, first impressions… 1. No vig kill. This tells us that there is no compulsory vig, probably. 2. **SpEd** was VT. Looking back over Day 1, he was highly critical of the cases on both **Tom Scud** and **BSPI**. He stood on a few toes in doing this ( **Joey** , **Alka** and probably others - I’ll admit that I’m being hasty with my rereads of his posts). 3. **FS** is VT. Spent most of Day 1 defending Tom’s conclusions. Didn’t point the finger much. 4. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Final Day One Vote Count: > > Vote Count: > > Freudian(6): AllWalker, MentalGuy, Storyteller, Boozahol, Pedescribe, USCDiver > > Boozahol(2): Freudian, JoeyP > > NAF(2): CatinASuit, Oredigger > > Meeko(2): Specialed, Nanook, > > Tom Scud/Cucuy(1): Zeriel > > Oredigger(1): NAF > > Zeriel(1): Tom Scud/Cucuy > > Pedescribe(1): Meeko, > > JoeyP(1): MHaye 1. Just by blind examination I see no obvious conclusions, but then I am near my bed time. All I can say is that while Night 1 was memorable, if only at the end, we need to put aside our passions and work with cool heads. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/504 "2009-08-10T15:02:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Given how Gastardly this game is going, I want to make sure we know what we can know. I would like to know about NAF ASAP. Other then the whole not revealing until AM, I’m not sure what you mean by Gastardly. I don’t think you understand that term. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/505 "2009-08-10T15:06:09Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Catching up. It’s going to be a couple of longish multi quotes from me, sorry. I’m looking forward to the next longish post of what you were going to say. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Interesting. I like to hop around my vote on Day 1 these days and sort of follow the thread. I don’t like that this vote discourages using voting as a tool to gather information. I should say that I thought I had mentioned in subsequent posts that I no longer find Tom to be scummy, and while I do think that FS is acting scummier than Oredigger I think Oredigger’s odds of being scum are higher based on the tell he exhibited. No, you didn’t. You hopped from person to person with the last person being the scummiest one you saw. > [@NAF1138](#): > > This is kind of an asshole move, but is a nother point in your favor as probably a townie. To what CIAS said, I will probably not be voting for you again toDay or any time soon. Amazing how what makes for a good tell at the start of Day 1 isn’t so good close to the end isn’t it CIAS? It’s like the game is fluid and changes as the information available changes or something? 😛 True, at the start I would have guessed that you were town, as time went on that thought has changed. 😛 I look forward to a better explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/506 "2009-08-10T15:56:51Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > NAF had a post after the time limit passed. Don’t be a twerp. NAF posted that gigantic post (which probably took him 20 minutes to prep) something like 4 minutes after the end of day post. The anti-strategy rules aren’t intended to make a ‘gotcha’ situation. > [@](#): > > Working on my “We are all Town” theory: Is there any MAFIA Variant where ““Ghosts”” have posting access to a scum board, and or, can vote in NKs ? \*\* Pleonast’s Conspiracy Mafia allowed the Witches (a pro-town group) to communicate even after death, and to vote on their targets. Why do you think it’s pertinant? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/507 "2009-08-10T16:20:25Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*Is NAF still alive, and in the game? \*\* Why wouldn’t I be? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/508 "2009-08-10T16:30:29Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > I’m looking forward to the next longish post of what you were going to say. Me too. 😃 I think you are reading me wrong Cat, but then I would say that wouldn’t I. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/509 "2009-08-10T16:32:07Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Why wouldn’t I be? Oh, the post after time thing. Meh, I would hope that the mod would tell us if he modkilled someone. I would especially hope that he would tell me if I was the person he killed. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/510 "2009-08-10T17:39:48Z")
Okay, so we have Freudian Slit as a townie, and Special Ed nightkilled. From the way things played out, I think we can guess that there may well be powers that can act on people during the night after their death, and not revealing the alignment of a lynchee immediately may be intended to make those powers more hazardous to use. Alternately, it could affect the scum powers somewhat. I don’t see anything about the way the deaths have played out that gives me any reasons to change my suspicions yet. **Vote Cucuy**. **Meeko advice corner!** I wouldn’t assume there’s anything terribly Gastardly about the game until we get concrete evidence thereof– **Mahaloth** , after all, is not **Idle Thoughts**. (watch the latter appear now that I’ve taken his name in vain). ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/511 "2009-08-10T17:51:28Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Also, > > I SOOOOOOOOO wanted to say this at night. but I didn’t. The Irony of not knowing FS’s alignment and my just throwing it out there post, well, I have to revist something from yesterday.:: > > \*\* > As of right now, I am wondering if there is any Scum at all. That is, I honestly do believe now, that the game is 100% Town. \*\* > > Don’t ask me, Ask Mahaloth, his set up. So, assuming this is true: why all the mentions of the Crimson Thorns? Are they a distraction, or what? And who do you think did the nightly killings? Vigilante? SK? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/512 "2009-08-10T18:58:00Z")
I was going to respond to the “what if there are no scum” question, but then decided that it really is a silly conversation to even have. So…what does everyone feel about a mass claim? I don’t think we brought that one up yesterDay. (and yeah, I really would like to go though the end of yesterDay again and post my catchup thoughts, but I don’t know if I will be able to in the next few hours. But I left off right before Storyteller’s big post, so I know where to start up again. And it might be time to start looking at some of those pages I refferenced earlier in the game too. See who did what now that we know who Ed and FS are.) ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/513 "2009-08-10T19:02:03Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Me too. 😃 > > I think you are reading me wrong Cat, but then I would say that wouldn’t I. Geeze, **NAF** I was kinda hoping you would put up some defense but basically all you’ve got is “wasn’t me but then I could be scum”. I think I’m going to continue my vote from yesterday that case is looking better with such a week defense. **Vote NAF** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/514 "2009-08-10T19:42:11Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Don’t be a twerp. NAF posted that gigantic post (which probably took him 20 minutes to prep) something like 4 minutes after the end of day post. The anti-strategy rules aren’t intended to make a ‘gotcha’ situation. > > Pleonast’s Conspiracy Mafia allowed the Witches (a pro-town group) to communicate even after death, and to vote on their targets. Why do you think it’s pertinant? 1. **Just the Opposite Boozy, I’m with you, I am not asking for his death, at all.** I just noticed, that on the face of it, he did post after the time limit. And, given that factually, it was after the limit, the question had to be asked. 2. Just lingering thoughts from F.S. delay in alignment notification. I saw posted elsewhere, and will respond here :: 1. We started off with a Lynch. That kill is a given. 2. F.S. could then haven been given a vote, much like a ghost, or she could have become a Crimson Thron outright. From there, her vote, the only vote would make for the NK. 3.Why all the color with the Thorns? Well, I doubt it would make for much of a game if Mahaloth started off the OP with “Mafia – Only this time there is no Scum to start with!” I highly doubt that set up would present itself. All I know, is that this Mafia game has been the most… unusual I have ever played. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/515 "2009-08-10T19:45:21Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > All I know, is that this Mafia game has been the most… unusual I have ever played. Period. So far the only unusual feature from my viewpoint is the delayed reveal of the deceased’s identity, and that’s not all that odd–it certainly happens in variations elsewhere (such as “only certain people can investigate corpses” or “the identity isn’t given out expressly, just clues in their possessions/personal effects”). Can you characterize more fully the events/situations in the game structure that have struck you as unusual? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/516 "2009-08-10T19:46:50Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > From the way things played out, **I think we can guess that there may well be powers that can act on people during the night after their death,** and not revealing the alignment of a lynchee immediately may be intended to make those powers more hazardous to use. Alternately, it could affect the scum powers somewhat. Snipped, and bolding added. Zeriel, I noticed this too. I assume you mean to reference the “X is _100% Dead_” verbiage? I find that to be strange as well. Does anyone else care to jump in on “” 100% Dead “” ? \*\* I would ask Mahaloth,\*\* but not only is he not answering me, he’s not even saying that he’s not answering me. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/517 "2009-08-10T19:49:07Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > So far the only unusual feature from my viewpoint is the delayed reveal of the deceased’s identity, and that’s not all that odd–it certainly happens in variations elsewhere (such as “only certain people can investigate corpses” or “the identity isn’t given out expressly, just clues in their possessions/personal effects”). > > Can you characterize more fully the events/situations in the game structure that have struck you as unusual? No, no. You named them all. That and the actual default of not talking at night. Just for my third game of Mafia, the first to have both of these rules in effect, it is making for, a learning curve, from Glyph and LOST. I’m not saying I have added information. I don’t. I am just making a baseline observation here, based on this game, on my entire (2 games) MAFIA experience. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/518 "2009-08-10T19:52:34Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > So…what does everyone feel about a mass claim? I don’t think we brought that one up yesterDay. Ok. Granted I was wrong with LOST on mass claiming. However:: I am not sure there is a canon here, per se. That is to say, there is no real yardstick to measure the Claims to. * * * What does claiming now gain for Town? \*\*\* **FOS NAF** for even asking. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/519 "2009-08-10T20:32:13Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Geeze, **NAF** I was kinda hoping you would put up some defense but basically all you’ve got is “wasn’t me but then I could be scum”. I think I’m going to continue my vote from yesterday that case is looking better with such a week defense. > > **Vote NAF** Defense? Against what? I think he’s wrong in reading what I had to say. Would you like me to dig up posts where I said I was changing my mind? This is a bullshit vote my friend. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801/520 "2009-08-10T20:33:14Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **FOS NAF** for even asking. For asking what people’s opinions are? You have to be more specific here buddy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/weird-wild-west-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/504801.md?page=27)